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Throndr Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-13 13:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Throndr Stone
So, I tried calculating the max potential mining yield per ship, maxed skills and implants, BUT solo and without drones.

Venture with 2 modulated deep core miner II, 1 x MLU II and mining crystal II in the correct ore type
120*1,75(crystal bonus) * 2 (2 lasers) * 2(role bonus) * 1,25 (mining 5) * 1,25 (mining frigate 5) * 1,25 (astrogeology 5) * 1,09(MLU II) * 1,05 (Highwall mining 1005) * 1,05 (Michi's exavation augmentor) = 1971 m3/cycle = 657 m3/min

Edit: Added to prove a point
Venture with 2 miner II, 1 x MLU II
60 *2 (2 lasers) * 2 (role bonus) * 1,25 (Mining 5) * 1,25 (mining frigate 5) * 1,25 (astrogeology 5) * 1,09 (MLU II) * 1,05 (highwall mining 1005) * 1,05 (Michi's exavation augmentor) = 563 m3/cycle = 563 m3/minute

Retriever with 2 modulated strip miner II and 3 MLU II and mining crystal II in the correct ore type
360*1,75(crystal bonus) * 2 (2 lasers) * 1,5(role bonus) * 1,25 (mining 5) * 1,25 (astrogeology 5) * 1,27(3 x MLU II) * 1,05 (Highwall mining 1005) * 1,05 (Michi's exavation augmentor) = 4134 m3/cycle = 1378 m3/min

Mackinaw with 2 modulated strip miner II and 3 MLU II and mining crystal II in the correct ore type
360*1,75(crystal bonus) * 2 (2 lasers) * 1,5(role bonus) * 1,25 (mining 5) * 1,05 (exhumer skill 5) * 1,25 (astrogeology 5) * 1,27(3 x MLU II) * 1,05 (Highwall mining 1005) * 1,05 (Michi's exavation augmentor) = 4341 m3/cycle = 1447 m3/min

Hulk
360*1,75(crystal bonus) * 3 (3 lasers) * 1,15(mining barge 5) * 1,25 (mining 5) * 1,15 (exhumer skill 5) * 1,25 (astrogeology 5) * 1,18(2 x MLU II) * 1,05 (Highwall mining 1005) * 1,05 (Michi's exavation augmentor) = 5080 m3/cycle = 1693 m3/min


Can someone verify if my calculations are correct? And I know; mining drones and fleet bonus will influnce these numbers a lot, but I just need to know that i havent done some grave error?


Edits:
I made a mistake, doubling the base yield from miners with crystal (now removed)
For the ships with several MLU's, I removed MLU stacking on the others (1,09+1,09, instead of 1,09*1,09)
Added a Venture with Miner II, since it's a lot faster for newer players to get.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#2 - 2012-12-13 16:12:44 UTC
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2012-12-14 00:51:07 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Download the app in my sig for a mining calculator to compare.

Or use EFT or pyfa
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-12-14 01:47:04 UTC
Here's a spreadsheet I've been working on with all the yields and different combinations of setups.

Still a work in progress, but should give you an idea of what to expect.

Mining yields by ship type
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-12-14 05:52:10 UTC
Throndr Stone wrote:

Venture with 2 modulated deep core miner II, 1 x MLU II and mining crystal II in the correct ore type


excuse my ignorance (im not a miner) but doesnt the venture use normal Miner II`s?....why are u using modulated deep core miners instead of regular miners and how do you plug in crystal in those ???

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Dave Stark
#6 - 2012-12-14 07:04:46 UTC
you seem to be doubling the turret yield for some reason? (360+360) at the start of each calculation...
Throndr Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-14 07:28:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Throndr Stone
Dave stark wrote:
you seem to be doubling the turret yield for some reason? (360+360) at the start of each calculation...

360 mining yield + 360 specialty mining crystal yield


shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Throndr Stone wrote:

Venture with 2 modulated deep core miner II, 1 x MLU II and mining crystal II in the correct ore type


excuse my ignorance (im not a miner) but doesnt the venture use normal Miner II`s?....why are u using modulated deep core miners instead of regular miners and how do you plug in crystal in those ???


I belive you can fit the MDCM2 on a venture. it takes 3 times longer per cycle, but gives 4 times the yield with the specialty mining crystal yield..

I understand there is thrid party programs that migh calculate this for me, but I'm not interested in using that. And I could not find this information written down in anything but old mining guides. I already spotted 1 error, in adding the MLU bonus, but it doesn't explain the huge gap from what I calculate and what I actually get from mining (not maxed skilled though).

Styth spiting wrote:
Here's a spreadsheet I've been working on with all the yields and different combinations of setups.

Still a work in progress, but should give you an idea of what to expect.


Couldn't find the calculations behind the base yield you use in that calculation..
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-12-14 07:52:26 UTC  |  Edited by: shar'ra matcevsovski
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
[quote=Throndr Stone]
I belive you can fit the MDCM2 on a venture. it takes 3 times longer per cycle, but gives 4 times the yield with the specialty mining crystal yield...


Yes you can fit them, but just like other deep core miners they are meant to mine mercoxit, not regular ore. If Im not totally mistaken, you can only use crystals in strip miners, not mining turrets.

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Throndr Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-14 07:55:09 UTC
As I still have 4 days left before I can try them, I haven't. But the info on the MDCM2 says "use with chargegroup mining crystal"..What?
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-12-14 08:05:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Styth spiting
Pretty sure the Venture cannot fit strip miners (strip miner I's, modulated strip miners II or modulated deep core trip miners).

If it can fit gas harvesters it shouldn't be able to fit strips, unless they did something special with this ship to allow it to fit strips + turrets/ high slot s + strip miners.

Ah I see you're tallking about the basic modulated deep core MINER II. That can only be fitted with Mexorite mining crystals (and only Mexorite crystals offer a bonus) and training for Mexorite crystals takes longer then it would take to train into a covetor plus descent mining drones and several T2 highsec mining crystals.

So unless you want a really crappy mercoxite setup and a big waste of training time you should just drop that skill path if thats what you are thinking. The venture is only good as gas mining, or as a very cheap disposable mining ship with very bad mining yield. Dont waste the time training into it and train for a mining barge, its literally like 5 days training now, and training 1 - 2 days into a ship to use for 3 days is a bit of a waste.

Oh and the link I posted uses max yield setups with max skills.
Throndr Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-14 08:10:36 UTC
Modulated deep core miner 2
No "strip" in there, it's a mining laser
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-12-14 08:30:39 UTC
Throndr Stone wrote:
Modulated deep core miner 2
No "strip" in there, it's a mining laser


however, its only meant to mine mercoxit ONLY, its not a regular miner... for regular Ore use normal Miner II`s

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Dave Stark
#13 - 2012-12-14 08:37:07 UTC
Throndr Stone wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
you seem to be doubling the turret yield for some reason? (360+360) at the start of each calculation...

360 mining yield + 360 specialty mining crystal yield.

that's not how it works, you've also already accounted for the mining crystal with the 1.75 modifier.
Dave Stark
#14 - 2012-12-14 08:38:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Throndr Stone wrote:
Modulated deep core miner 2
No "strip" in there, it's a mining laser


however, its only meant to mine mercoxit ONLY, its not a regular miner... for regular Ore use normal Miner II`s


that's not strictly true. deep core miners are the only miners that can load mercoxit crystals, however they (as far as i'm aware) can mine any ore. however for the perk of being able to load mining crystals (all of them, including mercoxit) they suffer from a reduced base yield. however that yield is still higher than a miner II when loaded with t2 crystals.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-14 08:43:29 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Throndr Stone wrote:
Modulated deep core miner 2
No "strip" in there, it's a mining laser


however, its only meant to mine mercoxit ONLY, its not a regular miner... for regular Ore use normal Miner II`s


that's not strictly true. deep core miners are the only miners that can load mercoxit crystals, however they (as far as i'm aware) can mine any ore. however for the perk of being able to load mining crystals (all of them, including mercoxit) they suffer from a reduced base yield. however that yield is still higher than a miner II when loaded with t2 crystals.


Yes technically they can mine other ore, just like modulated strip miner II's can without a crystal, but the yield is around 1/2 of what it would normally yield, and yields less then a strip miner I (strip miner I: 540m3, msmII:360m3 without crystal). Sure you CAN do it, but you can also mine in a carrier with mining drones I and Miner I's as well.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-12-14 08:51:56 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Throndr Stone wrote:
Modulated deep core miner 2
No "strip" in there, it's a mining laser


however, its only meant to mine mercoxit ONLY, its not a regular miner... for regular Ore use normal Miner II`s


that's not strictly true. deep core miners are the only miners that can load mercoxit crystals, however they (as far as i'm aware) can mine any ore. however for the perk of being able to load mining crystals (all of them, including mercoxit) they suffer from a reduced base yield. however that yield is still higher than a miner II when loaded with t2 crystals.


what did I say wrong? If they couldnt mine other Ore I would have said so, but i said they arent meant to, wich is obviously the case if you consider the yield or simply their description.

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Throndr Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-14 09:43:24 UTC
Ok, so I removed the double base yield, and corrected for MLU.

But I still think the deep core miners are best (with t2 crystals), the give 210 m3 per cycle, or 70 m3 per minute, compared to miner II, that gives 60 m3 per minute.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-12-14 10:29:17 UTC
Throndr Stone wrote:
Ok, so I removed the double base yield, and corrected for MLU.

But I still think the deep core miners are best (with t2 crystals), the give 210 m3 per cycle, or 70 m3 per minute, compared to miner II, that gives 60 m3 per minute.


You're missing my point. To train for modulated deep core miner II is roughly 19 to 20 days, with the mercoxit T2 mining crystal taking around 26 days. So about 46 days training, compared to training into a Hulk, which is about 43 days.... So you're going to train for an item that will give you 10m3 more additional yield.


What exactly are you trying to figure out here? You gave us some setups and random yield values but no skill data so its impossible to determine if your numbers are correct. You have things like the Michi implant which is a huge waste of isk if you're solo mining and trying to figure out the yield on a ship that is so bad at mining yet will take you longer to train into then a Hulk. Are you researching a skill plan? Do you all ready have all these skills and equipment and just trying to figure out values or what? Give us more info and we can help you out better instead of just telling you over and over again what you're doing is bad or wrong.
Throndr Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-14 11:42:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Throndr Stone
Styth spiting wrote:


What exactly are you trying to figure out here? You gave us some setups and random yield values but no skill data so its impossible to determine if your numbers are correct. You have things like the Michi implant which is a huge waste of isk if you're solo mining and trying to figure out the yield on a ship that is so bad at mining yet will take you longer to train into then a Hulk. Are you researching a skill plan? Do you all ready have all these skills and equipment and just trying to figure out values or what? Give us more info and we can help you out better instead of just telling you over and over again what you're doing is bad or wrong.


Throndr Stone wrote:
So, I tried calculating the max potential mining yield per ship, maxed skills and implants, BUT solo and without drones.

Calculations...

Can someone verify if my calculations are correct? And I know; mining drones and fleet bonus will influnce these numbers a lot, but I just need to know that i havent done some grave error?


I'm trying to understand how to calculate mining yield, and with that finding best fits and maxing my solo yield, and asked; Can someone verify if my calculations are correct, did I make any errors?
I gave (to my knowledge) the best setups/fittings possible, MAX skills, both in the quote and in the calculations (written in "(mining 5)" behind every number). I added the hulk there just for comparison, I know it's not a solo miner.

Your first post might have been helpfull, but the spreadsheet have no info on the numbers, no way for me to see what you did, it just gave a theoretical yield per hour which is close to worthless because there is so many other factors counting in (hauling time, astroid avaliability and so on)
In your second post; which you have edited (didn't see that untill now), I still think you are mistaken, You can use other mining crystals in the MDCM2. And training time for MDCM2 is a little over 3 hours extra on my way to the mackinaw (after astrogeology 5). But that is beside the point, as I never asked for what was smart, fast or economical. I only calculated maximum yield per ship per cycle/minute.
In you last post; Sorry I missed your point, I was tunnel visioning on my actual question. :)


To Dave Stark: Thank for helpful answers. If there is still errors in my calculations, please do tell.
Throndr Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-12-14 11:49:32 UTC
Also, other new players might see, read and understand the calculations, and be helped by this thread. I think there are room for a more updated Eve mining guide out there Big smile