Ships & Modules

I've recently returned after a long break. The character I'm using had a lot of skill points to allocate due to previous learning skills.

Since my mission running partner was running level 3s, but has access to 4s, I figured we could run the 4s together.

Tank is not a problem. Due to the AI switching targets, our tanks held. DPS, however, was a huge problem.

Is there any possible way to get half decent DPS and range from an Apoc? All my gunnery skills are at 4, Amarr BS at 4. I first tried a pulse fit and did barely acceptable damage, but the range was such that I could not effectively get the enemy BS in range since they have much better reach. I then tried a beam setup and had a decent range, but did a pathetic amount of DPS.

Assuming gunnery skills at 4, how would you fit an Apoc for range and DPS? All the fittings I've found are T2 or lack the range to reach out to enemies who want to stay at 50km.

[Apocalypse Navy Issue, Incursions]
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

dps 491 46 falloff / 31 optimal

**edit realised it was my incursion fit
so add drones to taste and swap to specific hardners and a repper maybe downgrade the guns for cap

You could get an Armageddon or an Abaddon since they have damage bonuses. However you do need T2 pulses and scorch to get dps out to range

I'd have you and your friend split long range/short range duties up. Or if there's not enough to kill up close, both of you go long range. I had a lot of success running a 7 tach Abaddon fit when I was missioning.

-Liang

I used this with good success. Snipe smaller ships with Infrared while burning for the battleships, once you are at 30K shoot them with UV or Gamma crystals. Always use faction ammo, you'll need all the DPS you can get.

[Apocalypse, Runner]
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

100MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Infrared L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Infrared L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Infrared L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Infrared L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Infrared L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Infrared L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Infrared L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Infrared L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Energy Collision Accelerator I

This is my trusty pulse fit which worked for me until i got a better ship http://i.imgur.com/JjsGp.jpg

If you can't use t2 pulse and scorch then just put meta 4 beams and Imperial multifrequency/standard for dmg/more range and it will get you through :), that's how i did it when I couldn't use t2 pulses.
The rigs are cap control I's and a nano injector for more rep.
~67km range on the guns with scorch

PS, this fit is for tanking blockade at close range hence why such resists but you could also get away with 3 armor hardeners, 2 heatsinks(or 3) and a tracking enhancer(helps a lot if you use beams)

Option number 2 is to run with 2 cap recharges and 2 tracking computers(TC's are better than TE) and put a cap power relay(that thing that gives you more cap recharge at expense of your shield but you don't even use shield sooooo you trade mid slot for low :) )

I would go for option 2 since tracking comps can be changed for more tracking or range at any time(and they will give you better tracking over all)

Beams on the Apoc are great, but do yourself a favour and just train Large Pulse Spec 4 now.

Yeah, i was in a rush when i posted that but i have more time now and i'll post again(edit this post rather).

This is with meta4 beams, dps is actually quite nice.

Setup 1(stable) < i recommend this one tbh as in t1 battleships tank>gank, don't use EANM for the 3rd armor hardener, better to be mission specific (break them up 2:1)

Setup 2(7m cap life but more if you use ammo that sucks less cap. ex: standard) < this one has more DPS but use it after you've memorized the missions and you aren't having any tank issues.

If you want the cap stability of Setup 1 and DPS of Setup 2 then get a Navy Apoc, yeah its expensive but you get an extra low slot for that heatsink.

My Paladin is fit very similarly apart from T2 tachyons and a web + MOAR heatsinks and 2 slot tank and its cap stable :D.


Use these fits until you can fit T2 pulses + scorch, it becomes soo much easier with Pulses(more cap stable and more dps)


P.S. You might need/want to train these skills if you haven't already for more cap stability/easier fitting:

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Controlled Bursts: Reduces capacitor needs of hybrids and lasers by 5%/level. (These 2 are your priority to V ASAP)

Motion Prediction: 5% faster gun tracking speed per level. (These 2 are your priority to V ASAP)

Rapid Firing: 4% faster firing per level. This is important because -4% to firing cycle is a 5% increase to DPS.

Sharpshooter: 5% to optimal range per level.

Surgical Strike: Adds 3% to turret damage/level. (Keep this at 4 until you've got all the others to V)

Trajectory Analysis: Improves falloff of your guns, 5%/level.

Weapon Upgrades: 5% less CPU required to fit turrets and launchers per level.

Advanced Weapon Upgrades: Decreases turret and launcher powergrid requirements by 2%/level.


Last but not least is if you are going to be flying large laser boats for a while then get yourself laser damage implants (3% to all laser turrets AND 3% to only Large laser turrets) + 3% tracking :), 3%s are cheap. Oh and invest in Imperial Navy heatsinks, you will carry them over to your next laser ship, trust me :) and they will pay themselves back pretty quick.