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Since we're supposed to be getting new battlecruisers and some hybrid love...
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#1 - 2011-10-21 19:29:06 UTC
How about making the caldari BC a hybrid platform? We already have a paper thin torp platform, its called a stealth bomber. Make it happen CCP! Big smile
Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2011-10-21 19:31:45 UTC
No.

Go Stick Rails on the Gal one if you want, Scorch will always make it obsolete.

Bring on the Torp Hammer.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#3 - 2011-10-21 19:35:04 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
No.

Go Stick Rails on the Gal one if you want, Scorch will always make it obsolete.

Bring on the Torp Hammer.


Rails might be the next arty for all you know Blink
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#4 - 2011-10-21 19:36:44 UTC
HA! A hybrid platform fast and agile enough to apply large blasters properly might be all the hybrid boost we'll get!

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Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2011-10-21 19:38:28 UTC
Super Chair wrote:

Rails might be the next arty for all you know Blink

If it works you get the Rokh, the Ferox, the Moa/Eagle, the Harpy and the Raptor.

If it doesn't then all of them will suck along with this new ship. Or we can get a Super Drake and you still get all of the Above plus all of Gallente.

I am gonna take the bet that gives me the Super Drake.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2011-10-21 19:38:47 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
How about making the caldari BC a hybrid platform? We already have a paper thin torp platform, its called a stealth bomber. Make it happen CCP! Big smile


what are you unhappy with the feroahahahahahahahaha

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Shin Dari
Covert Brigade
#7 - 2011-10-21 19:38:53 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
How about making the caldari BC a hybrid platform? We already have a paper thin torp platform, its called a stealth bomber. Make it happen CCP! Big smile

Why not both?
Alara IonStorm
#8 - 2011-10-21 19:40:12 UTC
Weaselior wrote:

what are you unhappy with the feroahahahahahahahaha

You held it for a long time. I personally break down in the moment between the thought and trying to open my mouth.
Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo
EVE Trade Alliance
#9 - 2011-10-21 19:46:02 UTC
I too wouldn't mind if the Caldari ship was hybrid based... getting tired of caldari ships being a complete joke in incursions. (besides the basi and rokh)
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
#10 - 2011-10-21 20:14:14 UTC
I want my torp battlecruiser! We need a torp platform that can actually apply torp dps
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#11 - 2011-10-21 22:12:41 UTC
Whiteknight03 wrote:
I want my torp battlecruiser! We need a torp platform that can actually apply torp dps


Knowing CCPs design philophsy theyll give it just barely enough PG to fit cruise missiles and not torps. If it does turn out to be a missile platform I hope it doesnt end up being like the caracal in terms of PG.
Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo
EVE Trade Alliance
#12 - 2011-10-21 22:55:54 UTC
Look, lets all face fact... the bigger the missile, the more it sucks.
Arguably this new ship will be a perfect platform for ganks... and will see action in fleets.

While large missiles might be OK for missions and ratting, for incursions they pretty much suck balls.
I'm asking for a hybrid boat... cause i want to get noobs a prerogative to start training into gunnery skills so they can have an easier time training over to another faction.
I see missiles as huge issue with noobs... most of them never get into fleets in incursions... and pretty much just get laughed at... for trying to use missiles. All 3 turret weapon types depend on the same set of skills, missiles have a whole other set. Which makes convincing newer players to go another race (because ya most of them end up starting caldari) some what difficult.

For ganking - turrets would be best... since size of ship wont matter
For incursions - turrets are better since its easier to manipulate their mechanics (webs and links) (and higher dps on target)
For missions - hopefully either will be viable post hybrid fixes
For shotting at a station that doesnt move and has a huge sig raidus - torps
For sniping - Rails... instant dmg and adjustable range and dps

hands down... hybrids would be a better weapon of choice on this thing
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#13 - 2011-10-22 18:59:30 UTC
Rocky Deadshot wrote:
Look, lets all face fact... the bigger the missile, the more it sucks.
Arguably this new ship will be a perfect platform for ganks... and will see action in fleets.

While large missiles might be OK for missions and ratting, for incursions they pretty much suck balls.
I'm asking for a hybrid boat... cause i want to get noobs a prerogative to start training into gunnery skills so they can have an easier time training over to another faction.
I see missiles as huge issue with noobs... most of them never get into fleets in incursions... and pretty much just get laughed at... for trying to use missiles. All 3 turret weapon types depend on the same set of skills, missiles have a whole other set. Which makes convincing newer players to go another race (because ya most of them end up starting caldari) some what difficult.

For ganking - turrets would be best... since size of ship wont matter
For incursions - turrets are better since its easier to manipulate their mechanics (webs and links) (and higher dps on target)
For missions - hopefully either will be viable post hybrid fixes
For shotting at a station that doesnt move and has a huge sig raidus - torps
For sniping - Rails... instant dmg and adjustable range and dps

hands down... hybrids would be a better weapon of choice on this thing


My fear is that it will be "just another raven" and you won't see it beyond motsu and the rest of caldari highsec. It would be really sad if they wasted the development of another caldari hull just for another mission ship. Let's face it cruise missiles suck if your target is anything smaller than a BC.
Alara IonStorm
#14 - 2011-10-22 19:02:43 UTC
Super Chair wrote:

My fear is that it will be "just another raven" and you won't see it beyond motsu and the rest of caldari highsec. It would be really sad if they wasted the development of another caldari hull just for another mission ship. Let's face it cruise missiles suck if your target is anything smaller than a BC.

So ask them to fix them for the Expansion.

Tornado = Auto's and Arty
Amarr = Pulse and Beam
Gallente = Blasters and Rails

What is missing. Right all the people who love Missiles. I have a solution.

Caldari = Cruise and Torps.

Yay everyone is represented!
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-22 20:21:50 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
No.

Go Stick Rails on the Gal one if you want, Scorch will always make it obsolete.

Bring on the Torp Hammer.


God, I want a Torp spewing monster way more than another lame Caldari gunboat.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-10-22 20:25:45 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
Rocky Deadshot wrote:
Look, lets all face fact... the bigger the missile, the more it sucks.
Arguably this new ship will be a perfect platform for ganks... and will see action in fleets.

While large missiles might be OK for missions and ratting, for incursions they pretty much suck balls.
I'm asking for a hybrid boat... cause i want to get noobs a prerogative to start training into gunnery skills so they can have an easier time training over to another faction.
I see missiles as huge issue with noobs... most of them never get into fleets in incursions... and pretty much just get laughed at... for trying to use missiles. All 3 turret weapon types depend on the same set of skills, missiles have a whole other set. Which makes convincing newer players to go another race (because ya most of them end up starting caldari) some what difficult.

For ganking - turrets would be best... since size of ship wont matter
For incursions - turrets are better since its easier to manipulate their mechanics (webs and links) (and higher dps on target)
For missions - hopefully either will be viable post hybrid fixes
For shotting at a station that doesnt move and has a huge sig raidus - torps
For sniping - Rails... instant dmg and adjustable range and dps

hands down... hybrids would be a better weapon of choice on this thing


My fear is that it will be "just another raven" and you won't see it beyond motsu and the rest of caldari highsec. It would be really sad if they wasted the development of another caldari hull just for another mission ship. Let's face it cruise missiles suck if your target is anything smaller than a BC.


Maybe battleship class weapons aren't meant to be effective against anything smaller than a BC? Just putting that out there...
Jing Xin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-22 22:44:26 UTC
I am seconding the sentiment that Caldari tier 3 Battlecruiser should be able to fit some Large Rail, even if its primary task is to be a Cruise platform. Ships without turret slots (like Drake) make Caldari very unfriendly race to move into, since, as it was mentioned already in this thread, missile skills are not transferable.

One of them, either Caldari or Gallente, has to be a hybrid platform. As far as rail ships go there isn't one in heavy BC/light BS range, except Vulture may be. (Tanking abilities of Ferox do not compare to tier2 BC).

Those playing Caldari Online sure want bigger, nastier missile boats, and I don't judge them.
thekiller2002us
The J8sters
#18 - 2011-10-22 23:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: thekiller2002us
Taedrin wrote:
Super Chair wrote:
Rocky Deadshot wrote:
Look, lets all face fact... the bigger the missile, the more it sucks.
Arguably this new ship will be a perfect platform for ganks... and will see action in fleets.

While large missiles might be OK for missions and ratting, for incursions they pretty much suck balls.
I'm asking for a hybrid boat... cause i want to get noobs a prerogative to start training into gunnery skills so they can have an easier time training over to another faction.
I see missiles as huge issue with noobs... most of them never get into fleets in incursions... and pretty much just get laughed at... for trying to use missiles. All 3 turret weapon types depend on the same set of skills, missiles have a whole other set. Which makes convincing newer players to go another race (because ya most of them end up starting caldari) some what difficult.

For ganking - turrets would be best... since size of ship wont matter
For incursions - turrets are better since its easier to manipulate their mechanics (webs and links) (and higher dps on target)
For missions - hopefully either will be viable post hybrid fixes
For shotting at a station that doesnt move and has a huge sig raidus - torps
For sniping - Rails... instant dmg and adjustable range and dps

hands down... hybrids would be a better weapon of choice on this thing


My fear is that it will be "just another raven" and you won't see it beyond motsu and the rest of caldari highsec. It would be really sad if they wasted the development of another caldari hull just for another mission ship. Let's face it cruise missiles suck if your target is anything smaller than a BC.


Maybe battleship class weapons aren't meant to be effective against anything smaller than a BC? Just putting that out there...


please be wrong- bc with bs weaponry is almost the wh nerf i'm hoping for- almost- though some people may not understand why- key word here is 'almost' and depends on what ccp actually implement in a couple of months.

I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal..
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#19 - 2011-10-23 00:17:17 UTC
I want to be able to put Large Arty on my Cane, or Large Pulse Lasers on my Harbringer. Seriously people Torps/Cruise are a BS sized weapon system not BC.

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Alara IonStorm
#20 - 2011-10-23 00:22:19 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I want to be able to put Large Arty on my Cane, or Large Pulse Lasers on my Harbringer. Seriously people Torps/Cruise are a BS sized weapon system not BC.

No one told you.

The Tornado is coming out this Winter. It is a Tier 3 Battlecruiser that is designed ti fit and use Battleship Weapons.

Throughout this week they will be reveling the other other 3 Races Ships who are also designed to use Large Weapons.
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