EVE General Discussion

hopefully this is finally being sorted out. I can't recall the number of L337 solo PvP videos I have watched, crowing about how their flying tactics are open to anyone, how easy "solo PvP" is etc, only to see Fleet (2+) and somehow the domi taking on 6 guys. spoils the whole thing. good riddance to bad mechanics. if you boost from a POS shame on you.

Hes got a point.

Pot, Kettle, Black



Quoting for Truth (in the calmest Grath Telkin post ever).

Your alt is still able to boost the exact same amount now as when he will have to be on grid

what I think everyone in eve should understand is that in eve we are not the hero of the story, we don't get plot protection and we can't take on an invasion force by ourselves. When everyone has that equal status 2 IS between than one. Weather we like it or not.

Don't be ridiculous.

The other day I was FCing a fleet that consisted of:

Me (cov ops)
Blackbird (which switched to have 3 gallente jammers)
2 dictors
2-3 HACS
2-3 Fast Tackle
3-4 T1 ships like cruisers, destroyer etc


We came up against:

6 Thoraxs (t1 cruisers)
1 OGB legion
1 OGB Loki


We outnumbered them about 2:1 and had a jamming ship with bonuses that was able to jam out half their ships at once. It still took ages to kill them and it was fairly touch and go. They still managed to kill both the dictors meaning that the outcome of the fight was that despite killing 4 of their cruisers (two got away) we only ended up about 40mil up.

OGB kill small gang and solo PvP because it sets a higher entry barrier. Unless you bring overwhelming numbers or your own OGB you can't compete with those who do, and therefore can't take part in it.

Plus you use the argument to say you'll just train your alt into a falcon and use that instead. What part of "solo" PvP do you not get? In every situation against a 100% genuine solo PvPer you're giving yourself a massive advantage by using 2 characters. So you're not after true solo PvP, you're after looking like you're so hard you can take on and kill a gang of guys on your own.

To be honest I expected better from a Goon.


EDIT:

Also looking at your killboard I struggle to see where you have killed someone "Solo" using off grid boosters or even outnumbered. In all the kills I could see on the first page you have dogpiled onto the enemy in true Goon style by outnumbering them.

Good thing you are keeping solo PvP alive o7o7o7 m8m8m8

The megathron flys withliterally every gang so I think we can manage to get a command ship to work

The main problem with your argument is twofold, one, you have to bring Falcons and Arazus into the fight, on grid, so if thats what you shift their training to thats fine, they've been nerfed hard enough over the years that you'll need to get fairly close to have the desired effect. That brings your equalizer into the line of fire, thus putting the asset at risk. Small gang to small gang the OGB is rarely at risk because one small gang doesn't usually take the time in a fight to start looking for the other gangs OGB, there just isn't that kind of time.

The second problem is that the rest of your argument basically boils down to the same thing that was used at the end of the Nano Age. The kitchen sink fleets from around EVE weren't willing to bring the ships needed to counter the nano gangs and were wailing like mad that it was an unfair advantage. So the nerf hammer fell, and fell hard as hell, nano ships as they were known are long gone from EVE, its impossible to come anywhere close to the speeds that we used to travel in game, the need to bring those ships simply vanished.

The argument that the players should bring something they aren't was used when again when Titans were in danger of a nerf, dreads were all that was needed to stop the onslaught, and yet no player group in EVE (besides mine and maybe one or two others) had the balls to do what was needed to stop the madness, the players whinged and the game changed again.

You cannot force the players to do what you're asking, they simply have no desire to do what you want and no amount of posting on your part will bring them around to your way of thinking, even if it might be right, so the game will change again because without the players doing this simple thing the balance is skewed, the link bonuses are too strong, and the combat is getting out of whack.

Nothing you can say will change whats coming, your best actual bet is to start planning for the future.

To stop people from running when you find them I guess? Because in EVE unless they think they will win the enemy gang will leg it, How exactly would you stop a gang of 10 people running from a gang of 12 without dictors?





You've missed the point and sailed way past it.

My gang was a gang of 12 guys who went "Hey, you know what? Let's go out and see if we can get a fight".

Their gang was a gang of 6 people who all outfitted themselves with a specific set up and made sure they were supported by OGB ships.

If my gang was 6 guys thinking "Hey, lets just go out and roam" I would have had to bring off grid boosters in order to compete with them, so therefore there is no point in my 6 man gang leaving unless it is actually an 8 man gang with off grid boosters with a dedicated theme OR I find another 6 people to bring with me.

As for bringing the wrong ships, you speak as if we had any say in who we were going, we bumped into these guys and got my blackbird pilot to switch out his 3 jammers for 3 gallente ones, thats all the preperation we had. If I had taken your fleet and game across an 8 man tornado gang it would have been useless.

You're view that OGB helps small gangs is actually saying that you need OGB and a "proper" fleet or double numbers otherwise you can't even compete with those who have them. It kills off fun spur of the moment small gang roaming.

Besides, you use the argument that OGB boost small gang PvP as it lets you take on people when you're outnumbered, what happens when 20-30 man gangs take OGBs every time too and then pummel you as they have the same advantage? Is that still a boon to small gang warfare?



I'm sorry but you're wrong. Solo PvP means that it's Solo, as in on your own. Despite the fact your characters are being controlled by you, your character in space is not acting on their own. You are essentially flying the equivalent of some sort of massively buffed ship which the other side doesn't have access to (unless they are on their own OGB).




"I think your alliance is crap, but I'm going to pretend to take the high ground by only alluding to it".

I have a lot of respect for Goonswarm for being full of people who can recognise when something isnt helping the game, even if they happen to be abusing it. I'm not bothered you use OGBs, as not using them would be stupid if you have the option, but even so your argument they are some how promoting the game is silly.




Feel free to tell me who your elite pee vee pee character is and I'm happy to take it back if I see all your kills are actually you taking on gangs solo and definetly not a gang of 6-7 people ganking other equal or smaller sized gangs that dont have access to an OGB.

Do I really need to point out that the only people that use that particular definition of what "Solo PVP" is are those that desperately want to say that they do well at hard core solo PVP... when in fact they do not.

You'd do a lot better sticking with your defense of small gang PVP, because statements like the above tend to make you look a bit silly and undermine your otherwise reasonable (if highly debatable) point of view.