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Suddenly Ninjas - Beware of ransoms

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Leiron
PharmaDyne Technologies
#1 - 2012-12-12 22:26:58 UTC

Leffy Skaramour of the nice folks at Suddenly Ninjas doesn't honor his ransoms, and I was even lucky enough to get invited to their very own ransom chan in game, which clearly states all ransoms will be honored. So, be mindful.



-Leiron
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#2 - 2012-12-12 22:47:28 UTC
Suddenly scammed?

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Leiron
PharmaDyne Technologies
#3 - 2012-12-12 23:08:47 UTC
Suddenly Scammed ;-)

To be fair, their MOTD in their ransom channel says all ransoms honored, and if you have any complaints to take it up with
their CEO. I've sent him a mail, so we shall see. Not happy to have lost a 1bil ship and fitt, but we shall see.


-Leiron
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#4 - 2012-12-12 23:14:08 UTC
lol so let me get this straight, your in low sec getting pvp'd and you lose your ship that your not happy about losing, then you lose your pod after paying a ransom.

And all this takes place in low sec.

Welcome to Eve
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#5 - 2012-12-12 23:17:52 UTC
Leiron wrote:

Leffy Skaramour of the nice folks at Suddenly Ninjas doesn't honor his ransoms, and I was even lucky enough to get invited to their very own ransom chan in game, which clearly states all ransoms will be honored. So, be mindful.



-Leiron


Also cant find any kills from them on you anywhere.

So Killmails or it did'nt happen.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
The Initiative.
#6 - 2012-12-13 06:43:00 UTC
TunDraGon always honors Ransom.

Nobody lived to tell otherwise.

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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2012-12-13 10:13:04 UTC
Removed a personal attack from here.

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Psychotic Monk
Wardecs Without Borders
#8 - 2012-12-13 11:08:56 UTC
Does this mean ninjaing is a thing again? Unmurdered?
Leiron
PharmaDyne Technologies
#9 - 2012-12-13 13:30:39 UTC
So lets put this into context - This was not in 0.0, this was in 0.8 in a level 4 mission.
Next, leffy warps in and flags himself by looting from one of my wrecks.

So I see a lone stabber, thinking he's just going to ninja salvage.
Wrong. Once I aggress him, here come his buddies in logistics to repair him as I get neuts and scram

I'm the victim, so im not blanking out my own name
2012.12.12 21:56:00

Victim: Leiron
Corp: PharmaDyne Technologies
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Dominix Navy Issue
System: Eglennaert
Security: 0.8
Damage Taken: 145341

Involved parties:

Name: Leffy Skaramour (laid the final blow)
Security: 1.50
Corp: Suddenly Ninjas
Alliance: Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Faction: None
Ship: Stabber
Weapon: 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
Damage Done: 78605

Name: Core Rear Admiral / Serpentis
Damage Done: 66736

Destroyed items:

Antimatter Charge L, Qty: 32
Sensor Booster II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Hobgoblin II, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
Federation Navy Ogre (Drone Bay)
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
425mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon
Synth Exile Booster, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Damage Control II
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Antimatter Charge L, Qty: 569 (Cargo)
Antimatter Charge L, Qty: 32
Cap Recharger II
425mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hammerhead II, Qty: 4 (Drone Bay)
Synth Mindflood Booster, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Drone Link Augmentor I
Caldari Navy Warden, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
Antimatter Charge L, Qty: 32
Cap Recharger II

Dropped items:

Federation Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Hobgoblin II, Qty: 6 (Drone Bay)
Federation Navy Ogre, Qty: 4 (Drone Bay)
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Federation Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
425mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon
Hammerhead II, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I
Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer
Cap Recharger II
Caldari Navy Warden, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
Iridium Charge L, Qty: 100 (Cargo)

So this was a Billion ISK fit. Am I mad that I lost it? Sure. What's not kosher is that when your invited to their
suddenly ransom channel, your safety is guaranteed as long as you follow their rules. Which I did.
I'll go so far to tip my hat, they've got it down to an art - However, if you advertise to honor ransoms - honor them!
- Leiron
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#10 - 2012-12-13 13:38:16 UTC
Believing anyone will honor a ransom is foolish. The same is true for engagaging a ninja looter. It sucks, but learn your lesson and move on.
Leiron
PharmaDyne Technologies
#11 - 2012-12-13 13:58:23 UTC
Right, so I appreciate that I should have been more vigilant and need to learn a lesson.
Thanks for your pearls

Crime Watch thread, Scammer alert - That's the only purpose of this post. Thanks

- Leiron
Leiron
PharmaDyne Technologies
#12 - 2012-12-13 14:00:57 UTC

And the KM is API verified on Battclinic's killboard


-Leiron
Camille Sarain
Jesus And The Jesubots
#13 - 2012-12-13 14:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Camille Sarain
Leiron wrote:
Dominix Navy Issue
System: Eglennaert
Security: 0.8
Damage Taken: 145341



So this was a Billion ISK fit.



One word.

OUCH!!!!Pirate
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#14 - 2012-12-13 15:01:07 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Does this mean ninjaing is a thing again? Unmurdered?

Why do people keep thinking that? What?

We're doing fine, as Leiron's little misadventure illustrates. Incidentally: Leiron, we all had a good laugh and our CEO got a kick out of your email Lol Most of us consider ransoms to fall under the "fool you twice" category, though there's no official policy. We don't have a lot of policy at all really. To your credit, you've been a gentleman through the whole ordeal - cheers for that!

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.

Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-12-13 15:42:05 UTC
Leiron wrote:

Leffy Skaramour of the nice folks at Suddenly Ninjas doesn't honor his ransoms, and I was even lucky enough to get invited to their very own ransom chan in game, which clearly states all ransoms will be honored. So, be mindful.



-Leiron



"I know my ship has sunk when I take it to sea, why then should I expect to spare it from pirates by paying a fee?" - Sun Tzu (maybe)




I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#16 - 2012-12-13 17:29:38 UTC
Here's the thing about high sec and ransoms.

Groups like Suddenly prey on the 'weak and naive' PVE community and take whatever they can get. This is logical since they have a poor reputation anyway and anyone misinformed enough to get flagged to them has a chance never to make the same mistake twice. If they are not likely to make the same mistake twice then you might as well milk them for all they have the first time. If you are really foolish enough to get caught a second time after having this happen to you then you are probably always going to be a victim in this game, ransom or not.

Suddenly have no desire to hold an honourable reputation. I don't even think they desire a 'competent' reputation. They simply want to blow up Mission runners etc. Mailing their CEO or simply deriding their chosen way of playing this game will just be met with "lollol ur tears r delicious" so just suck it up and move along.

Pirate groups in low sec are far far more likely to honour any ransom offered since they (for the most part) actually take some pride in their reputations and tend to be fighting people that are somewhat more tuned in to the various corporations and alliances active in their respective regions and word gets around. Blowing up PVP ships is not nearly as worthwhile as it used to be since most of their cost is now in the Hull and not the modules. Offering a ransom and providing convenience makes much more sense when the targets aren't clueless grinding space parasites.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Dazz Riiiiiiight
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-12-13 18:52:41 UTC
Leiron wrote:
So lets put this into context - T

Once I aggress him,


You done derped yourself into that mess there toots.
Dazz Riiiiiiight
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-12-13 18:57:38 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Here's the thing about high sec and ransoms.

Groups like Suddenly prey on the 'weak and naive' PVE community and take whatever they can get. This is logical since they have a poor reputation anyway and anyone misinformed enough to get flagged to them has a chance never to make the same mistake twice. If they are not likely to make the same mistake twice then you might as well milk them for all they have the first time. If you are really foolish enough to get caught a second time after having this happen to you then you are probably always going to be a victim in this game, ransom or not.

Suddenly have no desire to hold an honourable reputation. I don't even think they desire a 'competent' reputation. They simply want to blow up Mission runners etc. Mailing their CEO or simply deriding their chosen way of playing this game will just be met with "lollol ur tears r delicious" so just suck it up and move along.

Pirate groups in low sec are far far more likely to honour any ransom offered since they (for the most part) actually take some pride in their reputations and tend to be fighting people that are somewhat more tuned in to the various corporations and alliances active in their respective regions and word gets around. Blowing up PVP ships is not nearly as worthwhile as it used to be since most of their cost is now in the Hull and not the modules. Offering a ransom and providing convenience makes much more sense when the targets aren't clueless grinding space parasites.

mmmm spoken like someone who has shed a TEAR or two to TEARS.

Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-13 19:19:06 UTC
Dazz Riiiiiiight wrote:
mmmm spoken like someone who has shed a TEAR or two to TEARS.

newfag alert
SB Rico
Dos Pollos Hermanos
#20 - 2012-12-13 21:40:49 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Here's the thing about high sec and ransoms.

Groups like Suddenly prey on the 'weak and naive' PVE community and take whatever they can get. This is logical since they have a poor reputation anyway and anyone misinformed enough to get flagged to them has a chance never to make the same mistake twice. If they are not likely to make the same mistake twice then you might as well milk them for all they have the first time. If you are really foolish enough to get caught a second time after having this happen to you then you are probably always going to be a victim in this game, ransom or not.

Suddenly have no desire to hold an honourable reputation. I don't even think they desire a 'competent' reputation. They simply want to blow up Mission runners etc. Mailing their CEO or simply deriding their chosen way of playing this game will just be met with "lollol ur tears r delicious" so just suck it up and move along.

Pirate groups in low sec are far far more likely to honour any ransom offered since they (for the most part) actually take some pride in their reputations and tend to be fighting people that are somewhat more tuned in to the various corporations and alliances active in their respective regions and word gets around. Blowing up PVP ships is not nearly as worthwhile as it used to be since most of their cost is now in the Hull and not the modules. Offering a ransom and providing convenience makes much more sense when the targets aren't clueless grinding space parasites.


This, all negative ten ransoms are honoured and in the event of an unlikely mistake on our part ransoms are refunded.

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.

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