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To CCP: If OGB is being removed Is there going to be a SP refund?
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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-12-12 19:45:54 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Gotta laugh at the offgrid "boosting is cheating" excuse.

I don't recall anyone saying that offgrid boosting is cheating, but I've heard a lot of folks saying that it's a very poor game mechanic.
Linkage

Care to point out the specific post in which someone actually says "Off grid boosting is cheating"?

Because I'm having a really hard time finding it, even with your handy link pointing back to the thread we're already in; which is just pure genius by the way.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#82 - 2012-12-12 19:49:47 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Gotta laugh at the offgrid "boosting is cheating" excuse.

I don't recall anyone saying that offgrid boosting is cheating, but I've heard a lot of folks saying that it's a very poor game mechanic.
Linkage

Care to point out the specific post in which someone actually says "Off grid boosting is cheating"?

Because I'm having a really hard time finding it, even with your handy link pointing back to the thread we're already in; which is just pure genius by the way.
I believe that was Herzog Wolfhammer point, as that's what this thread is about. Even though he didn't actually use that phrase exactly.
But I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Lol

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#83 - 2012-12-12 19:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Mag's wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Gotta laugh at the offgrid "boosting is cheating" excuse.

I don't recall anyone saying that offgrid boosting is cheating, but I've heard a lot of folks saying that it's a very poor game mechanic.
Linkage

Whups, I missed Herzog's over reaction (sorry Herzog, but that's a bit silly).

Still, you got me, one person went overboard.

You have to admit that the accusation of cheating for using what are now valid game mechanics is a distinct minority.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#84 - 2012-12-12 19:52:12 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Gotta laugh at the offgrid "boosting is cheating" excuse.

I don't recall anyone saying that offgrid boosting is cheating, but I've heard a lot of folks saying that it's a very poor game mechanic.
Linkage

Whups, I missed Herzog's over reaction (sorry Herzog, but that's a bit silly).

Still, you got me, one person went overboard.
He does that sometimes, it's mostly why I ignored it.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#85 - 2012-12-12 19:52:13 UTC
While we're at it, CCP please reimburse all SP for all ships you've ever changed that I could fly. With all these nerfs I'm now reduced to flying noobships and I don't need all these SP in worthless things like "shields" or "armor". TIA.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#86 - 2012-12-12 19:54:46 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
While we're at it, CCP please reimburse all SP for all ships you've ever changed that I could fly. With all these nerfs I'm now reduced to flying noobships and I don't need all these SP in worthless things like "shields" or "armor". TIA.

I feel so sorry for you.

Hull tanking elite?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#87 - 2012-12-12 19:54:48 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Gotta laugh at the offgrid "boosting is cheating" excuse.
That excuse, is just a part of their arsenal. They also don't think you should violence people boats, even if the game allows such things. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should apparently.

It must be great playing chess with these types. Lol

Did you just call me of all people a bear...
Mag's
Azn Empire
#88 - 2012-12-12 19:55:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Gotta laugh at the offgrid "boosting is cheating" excuse.
That excuse, is just a part of their arsenal. They also don't think you should violence people boats, even if the game allows such things. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should apparently.

It must be great playing chess with these types. Lol

Did you just call me of all people a bear...
Wasn't aimed at you at all mate. Blink

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#89 - 2012-12-12 19:57:27 UTC
Mag's wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Did you just call me of all people a bear...
Wasn't aimed at you at all mate. Blink

Everyone, everything is a bear of some sort.

nullbear
piratebear
campingbear
boostingbear
blobbingbear
titanbear
afkcloakybear

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#90 - 2012-12-12 19:57:31 UTC
Why do people think rorquals are in trouble? The dev blog said "warfare links" it did not mention "mining foreman links".

Given that the rorq only gets a bonus to mining foreman links, the code must be there to diffetentiate the various links. Couldn't this change truly impact only the warfare links, leaving mining foreman ones alone?

Or am I too optimistic.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#91 - 2012-12-12 19:58:31 UTC
Mag's wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Did you just call me of all people a bear...
Wasn't aimed at you at all mate. Blink

Ah yes I see where you were going with that now.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#92 - 2012-12-12 19:58:37 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Why do people think rorquals are in trouble? The dev blog said "warfare links" it did not mention "mining foreman links".

Given that the rorq only gets a bonus to mining foreman links, the code must be there to diffetentiate the various links. Couldn't this change truly impact only the warfare links, leaving mining foreman ones alone?

Or am I too optimistic.

I wouldn't be surprised if suddenly rorquals had to siege in the belt for bonuses.

At least, they can compress in a POS and still be used as mini-jump freighters, I guess...

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Erick Odin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-12-12 19:58:46 UTC
wasted sp? hardly. boosters are always welcome in gangs. join an alliance.


Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-12-12 20:04:43 UTC
train tank skills
boost on grid
???
HTFU

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-12-12 20:09:55 UTC
Another excellent example of someone using acronyms when they should not.

Stop it.

I can't find my little violin. So I guess I will just tell you...sucks to be you. You trained an alt to exploit an obviously broken mechanic that should never have existed in the first place. You also clearly got your use out of the skills...no reason you should be refunded them, especially when they can still be used.

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Shylari Avada
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#96 - 2012-12-12 20:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Shylari Avada
If only there was a type of ship that could provide modest dps while providing gang links... oh wait- I knew I trained Command Ships for a reason.

For everyone saying 'OGB creates an effective environment that encourages SOLO PvP'... well:

so·lo
/ˈsōlō/
Noun
A thing done by one person unaccompanied, in particular.
Adjective
For or done by one person alone; unaccompanied: "a solo album".
Verb
Perform something unaccompanied, in particular

Take a good hard look at that definition. Your alts leadership skills are not 'wasted', you just have to put him in danger of actually being shot at, you know... that 'pvp' thing you enjoy engaging in.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-12-12 20:32:46 UTC
Gangname Style wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
They didn't reimburse SP after they removed drones from super pilots, and that was a much bigger loss than OGB becoming slightly less useful. CCP don't like to reimburse skills.


Thats different. Removing the ability to off grid boost is removing the value of training an offgrid boosting ship like a tengu or a loki.

Or training the command module. There is no viable use of that module other than an OGB.



The skills required for the command processor module augment your boosting capability.

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SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-12-12 20:36:54 UTC
Guess I'll have to take a 100MN AB Command Loki.

Not off-grid anymore, still almost invulnerable.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-12-12 20:37:19 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Offgrid boosters is what is keeping solo and small gang alive. Removing them is completely, 100% ********. Keep them CCP, or lose most of ur old-school PvP players that have been playing for almost over 6+ years.

OGB are the only thing actually enabling us to fight the small gangs you see around now. Unless u want to give us some sort of skills that increase the tank to that of having an offgrid booster, buti dont work when u got ongrid one......

I suppose it never occured to you that the gangs you are fighting were also able to use OGB... and that after the change will be unable to use them just the same as you.


Your logic has no place here sir. Begone!

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-12-12 20:38:17 UTC
Xpaulusx wrote:
This will simply favor blobs, putting small alliances at an even bigger disadvantage defense wise. Im against this for that reason.


"Only small gangs can use off-grid boosters."

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