EVE General Discussion

This is an example of the personality flaw that leads to ...well....EVE General Discussion lol. Galaxy (and people like James) are aobvioulsy screwing with you, but you leap to the conclusion that what they say is gospel truth and thus proof that these other people are "somehow out to get you" because they have "an agenda of their own".

The thinking that leads to this crap is totally self-serving, and unfortunately not confined to video game forums.

Speak for yourself and your assumptions if you want, but you're not speaking for me. You've read my thoughts on hi-sec so you know better.

Level 5 missions were removed from HS...HS mining is inferior to Null Sec in terms of resource quality (if wars prevent 23/7 aquisition of those resources...HS didn't start those wars for you)...remove manufacturing slots from HS and Eve economy, well, i'm not an economist, but ask one and I bet they would predict a bad outcome from that decision.


It is a player driven game with 3 zones of "safety" available to play in. YOU choose which zone you prefer, and you take the consequences of Your choice.
The zones actually compare well to RL zones of conflict:
Null: Trying to make ISK in a war zone is futile unless you are selling war supplies to combatants....that is what Jump Freighters are for. To bring the easy to manufacture goods out to supply your manufactured wars. NO RL corporation is queing up to build factories in active war zones...get real. Or since this IS a game and YOU can decide how to play it, you can blue each other and switch to industry for a few months per year, call a cease fire every 3rd week...whatever. If you wish to Industry out there, make it happen.
Low Sec: The hood, gangsta land...pirates and killers...resources there tempt risk takers to get them, but no one is seriously doing large industry in LS. It is 23.5/7 "fight club"...go at your own risk.
HS: Comfy offices, clean streets, working sanitation and hot showers. You can work a steady job there, build a business, fatten your wallet and even finance LS and Null sec adventuring.

Even though this is a game it's course is determined by the real choices of the people who play it. All the hyperbole in this and related threads seems to ammount to a struggle to shift power to the zone where each person prefers to play, rather than deal with the realities of their own choices.

So far this Game accurately reflects the kinds of real choices people deal with in RL...so.... wait for it....

stfu, deal with it.

Very valid point...All I hear from alot of thier argument is RISK vs REWARD. If you live in a sea of blue as I do now, how much reward should I expect? I am always alert while I mine or mission in null and the threat of a neut is always real and must be taken seriously. In hi-sec I just have to make sure I have the best tank fit I can and hope the big bad pvp killers didnt bring enough dps b4 concord shows up. One is proactive play while the other is reactive play. Which should yield more isk per hour?

Yes, it "just" makes it pointless.

Yeah but, now I could be wrong, when youre in null you can SEE - you have HUD display - for knowing who are bad and who not to worry about. Those neuts you are talking about, right?
In high sec anyone can be a enemy. Theres no warning.


at least thats the argument Ive heard

Thank you for your valuable insight in to the discussion. You have really contributed to advancing the debate.

The downsides to mining in nullsec are as follows. You can evaluate the effective overhead imposed

(1) You can't mine all the time whenever you want, because hostiles may move through the area. Although you can avoid losing ships if you're alert, watch local and read intel channels, you don't make any ISK whilst you're sat in a POS. Solo mining is also an issue because 0.0 belt rats are much tougher than hi-sec ones and can easily kill a mining barge.

(2) You can only have 1 outpost in a system, and it's only worth refining at minmatar outposts. So if you want to mine most of the belts, you'll have to haul the ore. And you'll need all-V skills and implants to get close to the refine levels you can achieve at the good NPC stations. And once you've refined it, you'll probably have to haul the minerals to an Amarr outpost to use them to build anything; prepare to be surprised and disappointed with the number of build slots available.

(3) If you're in sov space, there is the everpresent risk that you'll lose your space. Before giving too much credence to the burblings of people who don't live in 0.0 about how "it's all blue", I would look at a DOTLAN map of a year ago, and look at today's, and see how much space changed hands. Quite a lot, I think you'll agree. Even if the space hasn't changed Alliance hands, there's the risk that your corp will fall apart, leaving you stranded.

(4) Most 0.0 ores are worth less than Scordite. In fact only the MABC ones are worth more, and they're not available in all systems; most top out at Spodumain and Gneiss.

By all means, go and see for yourself. There's nothing like first hand information. But I think you'll find that we're not just making this **** up.

Sounds more like a logistical "buff nullsec" than a "nerf highsec". The mineral market at the moment is STILL recovering from the drone fiasco from years ago, eventually those prices are bound to rise, and if not, (I understand this is preaching that is way easier said than done) maybe its time to try to get together the nullsec alliances and force the prices up. The minerals only come from nullsec, the market is fully monopolized by nullsec players. Technically the prices are set based on the supply you guys provide.

I'd also like to hope POS changes in general improve the quality of life across the board.

I'd just rather see solutions where all parties benefit before people start screaming and slamming each-other with the nerfbat. The market itself is a rather fragile infrastructure, and toying with that can have dire consequences for everyone involved.

For the exact same reason why High Sec lvl 4s are better than null/low sec lvl 4s. For the exact same reasons who high sec incursions are better than null/low sec incursions despite null sec incursions being the best isk in the game ON PAPER.

you can do them all day and night with no interruption other than stupid things like bumping. If someone shoots you without a wardec, THE GAME ITSELF eats their ships up.

I do high sec incursions without even having local chat up, you can't do that in low or null, which is why there ARE not real dedicated low and null sec "Incursion Communities" but several in high sec.

EVERY calculation of benefit in any discussion of High Sec must include safety/CONCORD. Sure, people can screw up your mining in high sec, but they have to put in way more effort than it would take to disrupt mining anywhere else. All i have to do is jump into a system owned by someone I'm not blue to to stop ALL mining in that system.




You could be doing that already, most null sec sov holding alliances have renter alliances your corp could rent space from and mine till you die. Like Test Friends Please Ignore, Initiative Associates, Northern Associates,Rolling Thunder, Solar Citizens, AAA Citizens etc etc. Corps within those renter alliances are always recruiting in the recruiting section. I don't know of a single renter allaince or corp that makes it's members pvp or do anything other than what they want to.

That's why i always do a double take when people talk about how "hard" it is to go to null sec, it's not hard at all unless you think you can go from 2 month of mission runner to top tier null sec pvp alliance just like that.