Missions & Complexes

You know, selective quoting to change the context of what was said and using strawman arguments doesn't mean you have a point. ;)

But here's a TL:DR for you, regardless of the ship you fly the "NEED 9K DPS TANK" qq is bullshit, and having a full Drone flight get insta'd is also bollocks. There was a guy QQing in another thread that he only makes 10m an hour now. All that craptalk is the kind of thing that gets topics discarded as "Well they're just whining for whining's sakes." There are legitimate problems with the FRA bug and there are people who suck at Drone maintainence post patch. I'd rather spend my time talking with those people and offering viable working solutions, than put up with whiners making things sound far worse than they are, or the tinfoil hatters who think this is "CCP appealing to their nullsec lovers".

And really, you're whining about EoM frigates from Gone Berserk? You mean the couple that spawn after a predictive trigger that you can volley with semi competent gunnery skills? Seriously, to ask you your own question, are you trolling?

GB is one of the easiest missions if you're not an idiot and shoot everything the second it spawns.

Because every time you unlock your drones now means they instantly all get targeted and shot, because you need to spend billions on an officer fit to stand a chance at tanking each mission now and I make less money than someone mining tritanium in a Venture.

See I can do hyperbolic sarcasm too!




Well there's not exactly much else to shoot at that point except an entirely new wave of triggers. And if you've placed yourself up that close when the EoM ships are hardly tanked that's something for you to reconsider. I sit back and hit them all with rails, dead, docked and turned in before the bounty trigger.




Actually I made the comments in general, your original quote to me 2 pages back was after I replied to someone saying you needed over a 2k tank. I was making fun in turn of you having problems killing Cartel frigates. Then you de-evolved it into a long argument of selective quoting, nit picking and ad-hominem. Because apparently shooting missions with large quantities of Cartel in it using their top end bounty ships and elite versions when it has multiple tackle frigates in, isn't the same as World's Collide, because a different mission name makes the experience totally different.




Got to ask why you thought it was a good idea to deploy salvage drones before the only two frigates in the entire mission spawned. But when you intentionally put yourself in a position where you couldn't hit them, then deployed the slowest moving drones known to man knowing full well there would be frigates incoming, then you're just going to get a pat on the head and be called dumb.

Soon as the red box goes yellow on me, I've got my finger hovered over the last button in my keybind to recall.



1k I'll give you, it's a much more realistic number than the crap that's been spouted. It's certainly no more than 1.5k at a push.



Rails and a targeting computer with ranged script. I can sit out back till the frigates are down and then move in.




No, but I've never said that. Pre-patch I've come across cartel/sansha versions of WC, and before I knew about the trigger frigate that pisses the entire room off. The damage hasn't changed in the patch, and I found the faster you get to work on the battlecruisers, and reduce their overall DPS the easier it is to tank.

What I said was post patch I've had other scenarios where I've engaged large numbers of higher tier cartel and come out alive, killing the frigates was not a problem.


"I deployed salvage drones because there were wrecks to salvage... And not even in the wildest dream Id think that ccp screwed up so much, that they made newly introduced salvage drones with zero combat capability "a threat" for npc frigates."

That's your own problem there, they made it perfectly clear that this would be the same AI as Sleepers and Incursions, and while less ruthless on the random target switching, there's a chance they'll engage everything and anything. This stuff was prewarned for months.

Today's patch notes claim to fix the full room aggro issue.

Dont know about 9k :D But Vengeance room 1 broke my 1200dps tank, made for some butt clenchy moments - look forward to seeing if today's patch "fixes" FRA.

I'll admit I've lost a fair few more drones than pre-patch, but not a horrendous amount - I guess I'm just getting lucky, although I do the whole recall as soon as aggro drops on me - wait for em to re-agrress me - launch - rinse and repeat. Granted it takes a bit longer and I do lose a drone every now n then, maybe 7-8 since patch, but I don't lose a huge amount of time since I'm busy with the bigger stuff anyhoo.

Granted its harder than before, but handle-able I'd have thought? I'm a low sp projectile toon and once you get the hang of the changes theyre doable (apart from FRA!). The people I genuinely feel a bit sorry for are the droneboaters, especially the low sp guys who have invested heavily in drones early doors and dont have much in the way of alternatives right now.

According to patch notes, this problem has been fixed.

Somebody test this "fix" please :D? All my available missions are full room (vengeance, etc) sooo...*pushes someone inside instead*

And yet drones do get regulalry destroyed, if they are webbed they are 100% dead, you cant use them for targets farther away and overall drone damage projection is significantly reduced = less isk/h without ANY compensation in mission payouts/bounties/loot in addition to annoying micromanagement of massively outdated ui that does not bring ANYTHING good for any player. Using the same philosophy ccp could implement another confirmation button for every market order or another confirmation dialog for every PI factory - it brings nothing to the game, but it is annoying and makes you waste your time.


Even if it is just 1k dps its more than any properly fit bs is going to tank with t2 modules and its certainly MUCH more than standard l4 bs is going to tank.


At least you dont have to warp out from that mission...


You said you havent had any any full room aggro in serpentis wc and if we are going by your logic, different mission doesnt make experience different and you were able to comfortably as well as you were able to kill large numbers or random frigates in random missions - and thats why noone should get full room agro and noone should have problems in that and every other mission in game. I take it you still havent bothered to actually run the mission.
Also nice thing about agro in wc now is, that npcs aggro you well before you are even able to lock the frigs that usually caused full room aggro - not that anyone would aggress them just for fun without some plan.


Another bullshit from you? Did you even read the devblog? They specifically stated that they made rats hate drones less than sleepers and that in 9 missions they lost only 2 drones. Does that imply 2 frigs wiping out whole flight of drones that pose absolutely no threat for them? No.
Also no, it is not my problem. Its their problem. They introduced new feature into a game and made it utterly worthless right from the start.

Although it is not tanking per se, the guy is right in that you don't need to cap-stably tank 1.5k dps, if you can just push your tank hard enough for 2-3 minutes to get the incoming dps down to tolerable levels (which get's your cap hopefully only to 30%ish), you'll manage with pulsing it afterwards around at the peak regen rate (heck, early on I wasn't even tanking 1k dps, had taken more and more armor damage in missions, but if I was doing it right, it stabilized around 35-50%, and then began to get back up higher).
Sure, really annoying to watch your cap as well, while you worry about transversal, your position to objects and other rats (optimal/ect), and the very survival of your drones, but it can be done.
Questionable how fun you find it ofc.

I fly a SNI and passive NH, I have np dealing with NPC, if you expect full room aggroed and warp in near NPC use a NH, if you can warp in from a distance use SNI and kill non triggers first, but take out as many cruisers as possible they are more numerous and fire faster then BS so their dps alone is not alot but between their numbers and rate of fire it adds up very quickly but most folks see the dps they compared with BS and mistake the damage as more serious from BS plus it takes longer to kill BS then cruisers so every cruisers you kill will get you to the tipping point where your booster can keep up by then you should have started killing BS at which point your repper should be ahead of incoming dps.

Think of it this way

BS hitting every X secs = X dps

Cruiser hitting twice as fast with more of them is equal or greater then dps coming from BS.

Don't under estimate cruiser damage.