EVE General Discussion

The less interesting someone's life is the more interested they are in other people's lives. Look at the people you see reading celebrity tabloids for example. They've all blued and sov'd themselves into total boredom. Nullseccers have wrecked nullsec so now they're looking for someplace new to wreck to keep themselves entertained.

I don't really care right now about nullsec vs. highsec, since my only interaction there is the market, which I feed with some small amounts of raw materials and the occasional piece of tech, and my purchases of equipment I find useful.

I DO dislike the idea that nullsec needs a serious industry boost, simply because the end result of that is that nullsec will become a vast neighborhood of gated communities. It would be analagous to the territories of the Wild West suddenly being so technologically capable that they would never need anything imported from the Eastern US.

To my mind, the problem is multiple accounts and multiple characters per account. This invites the nullsec player to make a highsec alt and short circuit the necessary consequences of putting yourself in a resource rich and unlawful area and having to depend on the 'civilized' parts for your finished goods. After all, you can ignore that block by mining stuff on an alt, building it with an alt, shipping it with an alt, and the only thing you have to worry about is getting it to nullsec, which shouldn't be too hard for a nullsec player.

None, of course. Remember, we're playing the game as CCP designed it: High low and null all need and depend upon each other in some way - high needs the resources from low and null that they can't get, low and null need to a lesser degree the industrial production that highsec provides. If you take away that need from either side of the equation, the game will suffer - highsec will see people leave in droves if there are player induced bottlenecks to production that are bigger than anything seen right now, and that's a net loss for CCP and the EVE community, whether some believe it or not.

Allow player 'empires' self suffiiciency in null, and they'll also take it in W-space as well, given typical human and business traits of expansion and monopolization. Arguing otherwise would be foolish, and I doubt the number of fools in EVE is a large one.

it seems to me that some people want their self created safety in null (blue) e.g. "i feel more safe in null than in high sec"

it also seems that the same people want to make more isk e.g. "null is not profitable compared to high sec"

so what they really want is their own piece of "high sec" in front of their null sec doorstep.

they want to be both "proud" null sec pilots and live the lucrative empire life without the fears of null sec (again, blue).

if people feel safe in null then there is obviously no risk involved, so they don't deserve rewards


jokes aside, people want safety and wealth, no matter where they live. no one here is better than the other.

if this is not true, then give me your stuff, your moon goo and your mission rewards, your minerals, bounties and your LP. i admit it, i am greedy and i want to be more safe than less, no matter where i live.

So you're saying that players in hi-sec will "leave in droves" if players in nullsec enjoy the same facilities that they do?

So you're saying that players in nullsec can't be allowed to play how they want in nullsec because hi-sec needs them as a captive market?

So you're saying that if we fix industry in 0.0, this will somehow make w-space viable as empire-building space? Can you explain how this would affect W-space when no stations can be built in w-space, when there are still no gates in w-space, when there still no cynos or jump bridges in W-space, and in fact when w-space won't be changed at all?

You're leaving some huge gaps and making some massive assumptions in your assertions about how 0.0 "should" be, most of them apparently based on the fact that since 0.0 is the way it is after years of neglect, it should be the way it is after years of neglect. Despite the fact that virtually everyone who lives in it and who doesn't live in it says that it needs radically reforming.

proof or it didnt happen.
and yes, I mean thought on my part

Sorry, that's just not true, you fell of the rails just as soon as you went to that "because they will put down the way another chooses to play" stuff. I honest to God don't know where this stuff comes from, are people actually sending you EVE mails or convo'ing you and saying "the way you play is wrong, you should play like me"?

Everyday for the last 5 years, and in that time i've seen plenty of people jumping to conclusions...the wrong conclusions. you're just seeing what you want, instead of whats actually there (while ignoring evidence that points to the contrary.

It happens all the time in real life, people of one political party can see all the flaws in the other, but are oblivious to their own. Recognizing this, you notice I don't say things like "General Discussion is all high sec carebears complaining". i notice high sec carebears complaining more than i notice other things that don't tick me off as much, BUT I have the presence of mind to know that's not the whole picture.

Hell, look at my postings in GD. I post one thing and some (usually high sec but occasionally not) joker replies with the "you just want me to play your way" crap. How in the high honking Hells could anyone get "I want you to play a certain way" from anything I've ever said? How many times do I have to say "my position is play as you want within the EULA and reality, but understand the game and the consequences of your choices."?

As it is done to me, you people with that high sec persecution complex (and who actually think they matter) default to the usual "why, you must just be some kind of fascist who hates me personally" position for all General Discussion.

It's just not true, no one really cares enough about you people to worry about it. Some people will PRETEND to care (like the miner bumpers), but it's a lie, what they want is your tears and maybe they have some shadowy profit motive, but they sure as hell aren't sitting at a computer nashing their teeth at the fact that you are mining.

But by all means, continue to only see what you want to.

The simply answer is null players want high sec players to have some unexpected risk,involved in their gameplay,and face some of the challanges they do.Where just undocking means theres a fair chance of losing your ship ect Myself i have no beef with any high/low or null players playing the game they want to.Ive lost ships in high/low and null and i expect that will continue to happen .It does add a bit of spice to the game knowing your never really safe anywhere.But it never stops me playing how i want to play on that day,wheather its just mining,manufaturing or missioning,roaming or just ratting for the CONCORD sec status.Each to their own i say.

'You want to force me to play the game the way you want' is just another Fox News talking point intended to incite fear and shut down debate. The only people talking about forcing highseccers into a certain playstyle are those same highseccers.

Sort of like how the only people talking about 'taking everyone's guns away' are NRA members, not the agencies they claim are trying to take the guns away.