Crime & Punishment

I mentioned all this before in dev blog response, but I want to try one more time. I think killrights are a cool part of the game, and I really really like to ability to "purchase" killrights on someone.

That said, I think the changes to killrights have virtually eliminated them from the game, which is sad given the work that went into supporting the transfer and management of them. As I understand it, only kills that result in a criminal flag generate killrights - illegal ship/pod kills in highsec and illegal pod kills in lowsec.

The first mechanism, illegal kills in highsec, is the classic "high-sec gank." This has, historically, been divided into two classes, those ganking for ISK (haulers/freighters with juicy cargo) and those ganking to grief (hulk/miner ganks). Both of these reasons for ganking have relatively recently had changes that will reduce their frequency. The changed looting rules make scooping freighter loot much more interesting, and the buff to mining ship tanks will certainly reduce the incidence of grief ganks. So, while neither of these methods of acquiring killrights have been eliminated, I contend both have been severly curtailed and will produce very few killrights.

The second mechanism for acquiring killrights is being podded in lowsec. Here I must make an assertion, but I stand by it: people who care about their security status quickly learn not to pod in lowsec. Thus, if you get podded in lowsec,
it is very very likely the person who podded you cares nothing for security status, and is alreay below -5 or will be soon, which means killrights are irrelevant as anyone below -5 is fair game anywhere, anytime.

So, I really don't see any mechanism for there being any volume of useful killrights at all (killrights on someone who is -10 are not "useful"). I will miss killrights if they fade out - I have really enjopyed hunting down the few people on whom I have gotten killrights in the past, and the thought of being able to hunt down other people's killers sounds really cool.

I have the following suggestions for modifying killrights to make them really bea part of the game again:

1) Bring back lowsec ships kills generating killrights. I don't really care one way or the other if the "no return aggression" requirement is there or not. (used to be, if you kill someone in lowsec, you get KR *only* if they do not shoot back)

2) I think being made a "suspect" when killrights get activated is too much. This will just make people dock up and wait out the fifteen minutes, or go into "station game" mode. Much better would be the initiation of a "Limited Engagement" when you activate killrights on someone. Would be nice if it was 24 hours or something, also, instead of 5 minutes. Plus, if I activate killrights, I really don't want the whole system whoring on my kill :)

Hope to see some discussion on this...
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HTFU

HTFU = harden the f* up.

And that is why no one likes you... I didn't read the op but judging from his portrait he is whining

The low sec killright aint really that bad. Its means, and iv seen it now quite alot that people can turn a fight by activating the Killright on a person on a gate, your team wont have gate guns on them, but their team will.

So i disagree that killrights are only a high sec thing, and i also see the benifit in low sec that the kill right are flashing for everyone, ie your fleet.

Having a ship kill generate a killright in low sec, i disagree on to. For some parttime PVPers who go out and have fun with friends in low sec, meaning other can have fun to. The numbers PVPing in low sec after exspansion have grown massive, and its becomming as i rember it 3 years ago.

If a ship kill generate a killright in low sec, it would reduce the number PVPing in low yet again, as noone dare to fire at anyone unless you live there, as high sec missioning, hauling, mining would be stupid and imposible if you have a killright on you, ie the part time PVPers would stay carebearing.

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Well, you can see it either way. Maybe people are just increasingly PVPing because they don't get killrights anymore. But then I have to agree with the OP: Killrights will disappear. It is close to impossible to pod someone in lowsec (unless you are smartbombing a gate and then you are -10 anyway and killrights don't matter).

I would alter that statement to say its hard to pod someone who is paying attention. Plenty of pod kills to be had in low-sec. Lots of people sit around and let you grab their pod after losing a ship.

And way more tan!! lol

I think you're seeing what you want to see rather than what is actually happening. Younger toons. gud fites, less consequences...that doesn't even sound like EvE to me. I couldn't care less about more people fighting in low sec if that means we need special changes to keep bears safe in THEIR sandbox.

Outside of FW what is there to even fight over in low sec?...nothing. So when a band of merry idiots comes along from high sec to get a fight we should just use "honorable" tactics and create some content for them?....please. If they are coming in and screwing up something low sec locals are doing then you should have the option to send a sacrificial lamb to killright all of them so you can send high sec hitters to go interfere where they live. Period.