EVE General Discussion

It all comes down to isk per hour

The Null sec people are worried that the Hi-sec ones are getting more isk/hour than them. While having a higher risk factor (frankly some do some don't depending on whether you are surrounded by a sea of blues or not)

But if you cut through all the drivel it comes down to isk per hour.

Yeah, we're annoyed at CCP for allowing these issues to build up to the point where newer players believe that's just the way it is and should always be. Its a natural conclusion to draw that 'the designers must have meant it to be this way, what are these guys complaining about' rather than that CCP have allowed an imbalance to build up for over half a decade. But when those same newer players start to invent ulterior motives to dismiss our legitimate concerns (you'll see a several of these in this very thread) and loudly proclaim that there's no imbalance and that the status quo should be preserved, spouting well rehearsed talking points about Griefing Bully Nullbear Control-Freak Whiners, they become part of the problem too.

i like high sec ,why should i leave it?

You shouldn't.

As long as you accept the consequences of that choice (ie lower rewards for some actions, which is who it should work be sometimes doesn't), I've got no problem with it.

It's the people who want to have their cake (safety) and Eat it too (profits, content, "fun" ) that i have a problem with.

So... you have a problem with me living in high-sec, because it's the safest place to run missions, and because I find missions with corp-mates to be fun after the NPCs got a crash course in strategy? What's wrong with having "Safety" and "Fun" at the same time? I seriously couldn't care less about if CCP reduced NPC-Bounties to 75% of what they are now. I'd still do the missions because I think they're fun.

Its that itch people in null sec get when they see a neutral in system... puts them on edge. In high sec there are neutrals everywhere and they dont understand.

but if eve is sandbox why dont you make iskmaking in highsec more dangerous?you can do it

yeah you will loose a lot of ships,but thats the risk - are you willing to take it? if not why should i take risk flying to lowsec?

I'm quite honestly curious. The passion (for lack of a kinder word) shown by those who live primarily in nullsec towards those who live primarily in highsec is rather mind boggling. I'll leave lowsec players out of it for the most part, since they generally seem more interested in improving their own lot, and less interested in degrading someone elses.

I can't see any way in which high sec activity affects null happenings in any significant way. At most, the profits of activities in highsec affect market prices, which can affect nullsec players. If anything, though, nullsec players should see this as a boon, if it keeps material, module, and ship prices down. Although even then, from what I understand, larger nullsec corps and alliances manufacture many of their own materials anyway.

And considering that highsec dwellers make up quite a bit of the EVE player base, getting them to leave the game doesn't seem like a brilliant idea, since a loss of paying customers would hurt CCP, which in turn hurts EVE - including nullsec.
So, I'm at a loss. Do nullsec players feel that highsec players are taking dev time and effort away from null/lowsec and putting it towards highsec? I'll grant you that may be true to a certain extent, although blaming players for wanting their AO to be buffed seems not only silly, but hypocritical.

It's fairly obvious that many (Though certainly not all) nullsec players enjoy trolling and generally pissing off highsec players. I get that, even if I don't share the same mindset. In a world in which you are largely powerless, it's nice to feel powerful in a game. (It's ok to admit it, we're all in the same boat when it comes to real life. There's nothing inherently wrong with it; you're not hurting anyone IRL.) The fact that someone mining alone in some random belt can cause such a strong emotion as hate in a totally random and unrelated stranger is . . . well . . . bizarre, to say the least.

So is that it, then? Surely there must be a better reason for what I can only describe as 'unwarranted hate' than the aspect of trolling. I often hear talk of how "Carebears are destroying EVE!", however there is never an accompanying validating statement. I also hear a lot of talk about how highsec players should be forced into playing in low/nullsec conditions, however this fails to consider that many EVE players would simply quit the game if this were attempted, again, harming CCP and subsequently EVE.
Considering that most new players (Not alts or re-subs) start out as highsec players, then gravitate towards PvP or stay as highsec players, the statement that "Carebears are destroying EVE!" seems patently false. I suppose if your ideal version of EVE is one in which only those who live in nullsec exist, then this is true. Such a version, however, does not seem very sustainable.

(TL;DR) In short: please explain to me how the actions of those in highsec negatively affects nullsec players, since the two are largely separate worlds, with the exception of markets and allocation of dev time? If the actions of highsec players don't in fact affect nullsec, then please explain why many nullsec players feels such strong emotions towards highsec players?