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Reclaiming can loot s/b suspect flagged
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-12-10 21:27:07 UTC
With the new update if I steal from someones wreck, mission item, what have you and then jettison the item the 'victim' is able to loot from my can without repercussion. WTF?

This should instead be driven by their safety setting. If their safety is full on, they should not be able to loot back their stuff. But on medium or lesser setting if they choose to take back their stuff, a suspect flag should still result. For who is to say they are only taking back their stuff, what about the additional items I jetted into the can??

Failing to do this really does seem to be turning hisec into a carebear disneyworld theme park IMHO....

Would you like to know more?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-12-10 21:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
You apparently missed the entire point behind changing the can mechanics.

You're describing exactly WHY it works as it does now. They don't want you to biat someone into being legalally flagged because you stole from them.

You're the only one stealing. Taking back what you took from me isn't theft. Why would you expect it to be treated that way just because you threw it back into space. Just because it was in your hold doesn't make it yours.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-12-10 21:34:07 UTC
Not really no. If you value your property rights so much, maybe you shouldn't have first violated his.
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#4 - 2012-12-10 21:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
lol, **** did I just read


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Spelling it differently to get around the filters is a no-no.

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Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#5 - 2012-12-10 21:44:55 UTC
Zeko Rena wrote:
lol, dafuq did I just read


L337 noob can baiter crying.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-12-10 22:02:38 UTC
this post doesn't have enough tears to fuel my logi for the day.

Provide more.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2012-12-10 22:05:02 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
lol, dafuq did I just read


L337 noob can baiter crying.


Pretty much this.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#8 - 2012-12-10 22:19:24 UTC
You are better off flipping and shooting the can so they become angry enough to retaliate, if you choose to still attempt can flipping. Or you can get an alt to flip it once again for you, but that just seems like too much effort to shoot a hauler.

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Codie Dunier
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-12-10 22:25:51 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
lol, dafuq did I just read


L337 noob can baiter crying.

I think it was a rhetorical question.
Doddy
Excidium.
#10 - 2012-12-10 22:27:58 UTC
I didn't pay attention to patch notes and got caught out by this, fortunately the new safety saved me from getting concorded so i guess there is a point to that too Oops
Azrin Stella Oerndotte
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-10 22:37:38 UTC
Eh, just need someone to act as a middle hand and you are back in business!

Or will the safety system prevent them from taking it? If so, enjoy Retribution.
Corny Flakes
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-12-10 23:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Corny Flakes
1) Steal item.
2) Drop item.
3) Pick up item with alt/friend
4) Drop item again.
5) ????????
6) PROFIT

You see, if victim decides to disable safeties to take item back everyone will be able to shoot it(bring any friends you want, not only corp members). So if you think about it the new system works for you and not against you if you put in a little more effort.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#13 - 2012-12-11 00:19:07 UTC
Corny Flakes wrote:
1) Steal item.
2) Drop item.
3) Pick up item with alt/friend
4) Drop item again.
5) ????????
6) PROFIT

You see, if victim decides to disable safeties to take item back everyone will be able to shoot it(bring any friends you want, not only corp members). So if you think about it the new system works for you and not against you if you put in a little more effort.


Pretty much this.... use a gang of noobships to get the fight... then decloak and gank with SB's or whatever...
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-11 00:32:58 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
With the new update if I steal from someones wreck, mission item, what have you and then jettison the item the 'victim' is able to loot from my can without repercussion. WTF?

This should instead be driven by their safety setting. If their safety is full on, they should not be able to loot back their stuff. But on medium or lesser setting if they choose to take back their stuff, a suspect flag should still result. For who is to say they are only taking back their stuff, what about the additional items I jetted into the can??

Failing to do this really does seem to be turning hisec into a carebear disneyworld theme park IMHO....


> Stealing from them = okay
> them stealing back from you = not okay

you seem legit. Yep, great idea, how about you be allowed to do whatever you want without consequences.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104