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Delphineas Fumimasa
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-09 05:04:44 UTC
Is there any interest in or plans for another railgun ship? It's a little disappointing to me that Caldaris second weapon system is railguns (supposedly) and yet the Rokh is their only turret BS.
Of the 5 pirate factions, one is hybrid, with a stasis webifier bonus.




Basically, I PVE, like railguns, and am bummed that my "progression" stops at the Rokh. Missiles bored my.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-12-09 05:12:52 UTC
Railguns are pretty unpopular right now, they can get ridiculous range especially on caldari ships but the dps is kinda subpar.

You could always look into the Eagle, the caldari turret HAC. It has a double optimal range bonus, so it's not that popular, but it's an option.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2012-12-09 05:13:11 UTC
Delphineas Fumimasa wrote:
Is there any interest in or plans for another railgun ship? It's a little disappointing to me that Caldaris second weapon system is railguns (supposedly) and yet the Rokh is their only turret BS.
Of the 5 pirate factions, one is hybrid, with a stasis webifier bonus.




Basically, I PVE, like railguns, and am bummed that my "progression" stops at the Rokh. Missiles bored my.



Eagle..


Also the Rokh is boss enough to cover the rest.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-09 06:06:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Akuma Tsukai
May be fly gallente? Ya know, they actually do use hybrids too Roll
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2012-12-09 07:12:11 UTC
Naga also uses large sized railguns.
Besides that, do what I did: crosstrain to gallente, gives you plenty ore railgun ships, though it does require you to learn armor tanking and drone skills.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#6 - 2012-12-09 11:28:29 UTC
Caldari ship are better with railguns than gallente ones most of the time.
Nieccole
Ex Caminus
#7 - 2012-12-09 13:12:02 UTC
Going to have to agree with this one.

I guess I'm weird, but I love my Rokh and while I've used other weapon systems when I had to, there's just something awesome about railguns as a concept that I find terribly awesome.

Was soooo nonplussed to come back after a three year hiatus to find out our Marauder was a missile boat. Ugh I remember the days when the Caldari were rail kings. Nowadays though, it's like the devs forgot about rails altogether and decided to foist missiles on us.

I'd give up a major organ to have a T2/T3/faction/Marauder version of the Rokh. In fact, I might go so far as to give up other people's major organs.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#8 - 2012-12-09 13:25:28 UTC
Delphineas Fumimasa wrote:
Is there any interest in or plans for another railgun ship? It's a little disappointing to me that Caldaris second weapon system is railguns (supposedly) and yet the Rokh is their only turret BS.
Of the 5 pirate factions, one is hybrid, with a stasis webifier bonus.




Basically, I PVE, like railguns, and am bummed that my "progression" stops at the Rokh. Missiles bored my.

T2 + railgun + BS = Kronos.

And no, that webbing bonus doesn't make it a bad rail boat by any means. The Kronos is better off rail fit than blaster fit in most missions.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2012-12-09 13:47:19 UTC
Delphineas Fumimasa wrote:
Is there any interest in or plans for another railgun ship? It's a little disappointing to me that Caldaris second weapon system is railguns (supposedly) and yet the Rokh is their only turret BS.
Of the 5 pirate factions, one is hybrid, with a stasis webifier bonus.




Basically, I PVE, like railguns, and am bummed that my "progression" stops at the Rokh. Missiles bored my.



Nagas are awesome.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-09 14:58:30 UTC
Second that, Naga is more fun than Rook any day.
Jakob Anedalle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-09 23:08:48 UTC
I've been focused Gallente but I'm just getting to the point that I'm interested to cross-train to Caldari for their hybrid ships too. Yeah, it means learning Shield tanking but I figure I should learn that anyway for the ever-popular shield-tanked Gallente gankboats. Maybe I'm silly for avoiding the missile skills, but I'm just not looking forward to grinding up a new skill chain for weapons when I could be learning other things.

It's either that or cross-train to Amarr to capitalize on armor tanking but learn the lasers and see if they are as fun for the lightshow as people say... Smile

Trying out all the things to do here in Eve - it's quite a checklist. So I made a blog Jakob's Eve Checklist
Kookman
Bastion 437
#12 - 2012-12-10 10:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kookman
Delphineas Fumimasa wrote:
Is there any interest in or plans for another railgun ship? It's a little disappointing to me that Caldaris second weapon system is railguns (supposedly) and yet the Rokh is their only turret BS.
Of the 5 pirate factions, one is hybrid, with a stasis webifier bonus.

Basically, I PVE, like railguns, and am bummed that my "progression" stops at the Rokh. Missiles bored my.



If you want to use Railguns effectively for PvE then you have chosen the wrong race for the job.

Gallente ships with tracking bonus make far better rail platforms.

They have better mobility for kiting, more lows for tracking enhancers and mag stabs and the inherent tracking bonus allows them to even deal with frigates even with 425mm Railguns if you know the basics of sniping - kiting.

In PvE you will rarely if ever need to shoot over 100km which is a range that you will easily achieve even with antimatter with 425mm Railguns II on a Talos - Thron - Kronos.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-12-10 12:16:56 UTC
Naga's should be fit with Neutron Blasters - 1229 dps like a boss

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#14 - 2012-12-10 13:59:08 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Naga's should be fit with Neutron Blasters - 1229 dps like a boss


And unlike ships with no range bonus, thats achievable outside of the other ships airlock.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-12-10 14:20:19 UTC
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway wrote:
Second that, Naga is more fun than Rook any day.


And it looks boss as ****

(Rokh is pretty good but Naga is just fantastic)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Delphineas Fumimasa
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-12-15 03:11:01 UTC
Yeah, well, Naga enter level 4 and gets insta popped.

Gallente almost exclusively armor tanks.

Right now I am running with 2 friends, who went minmatar. So we are just skilling up and trying to figure out what to do.

I like the Rokh, one of the better looking caldari ships. But it feels a little too slow and squishy. (Hate fighting angel BSs for instance.) And now that I'm a week away from tech 2 rails, it looks like my fit is all wrong.

[Rokh, Pillar of Autumn]
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Federation Navy Tracking Computer
EM Ward Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Federation Navy 425mm Railgun, Antimatter Charge L
Federation Navy 425mm Railgun, Antimatter Charge L
Federation Navy 425mm Railgun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hornet II x4
Vespa II x2




I run into cpu and pg issues going up to 425 tIIs. which has me wondering what might be off on this mission fit.



Would take 80 days to train for this:
[Vulture, Level 4]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Power Diagnostic System II

EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II

250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I


Hornet II x5


One friend will probably go BS, said the machirel looks sexy. it only has 297 firepower, and 211 defense. Is that high or low for a passive speed tank. is 365 too slow for that end?





I would love some help with these builds. I have also toyed with just setting up the rokh for incursion, if i ever do any, and switching to a CNR/Navy scorp. But only 444k sp on missiles.....more missile skills might make missiles less boring.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#17 - 2012-12-15 03:59:02 UTC
Delphineas Fumimasa wrote:

Gallente almost exclusively armor tanks.

Not if they're any good they don't.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-12-15 06:45:45 UTC
Jakob Anedalle wrote:
I've been focused Gallente but I'm just getting to the point that I'm interested to cross-train to Caldari for their hybrid ships too. Yeah, it means learning Shield tanking but I figure I should learn that anyway for the ever-popular shield-tanked Gallente gankboats. Maybe I'm silly for avoiding the missile skills, but I'm just not looking forward to grinding up a new skill chain for weapons when I could be learning other things.

It's either that or cross-train to Amarr to capitalize on armor tanking but learn the lasers and see if they are as fun for the lightshow as people say... Smile


the Nightmare is pretty awesome .. Caldari/Amarr BS both required
the Rattlesnake is really good ... Caldari/Gallente BS both required

the rattlesnake will complement your existing gallente ship/drone training
you could stop at the Gila (the cruiser) which can use Hvy Missiles, and it still has the 400m3 dronebay and 125mb bandwidth though as they are unbonused the damage from the missiles is mostly cosmetic Cool