EVE General Discussion

I would like to see the separation between high, low and null disapear completly and also I would like to see EVE-Universe expand and Concord/Navy engaging at various occasions here and there for "some reason" from time to time on a more regular base.

At the very moment eve is 3 different games, in high & low & null.

I would appreciate EVE to be just one game for all, with a much lower population per system in average!

Taking what you call The best anyone has ever been able to guesstimate posted number it's even steeper.

That'd mean that the two alliances that are most active campaigning against other security status areas they'd count for a tiny minority over the active playerbase. Even if they had triple the subs of any other EvE player they'd still be minor.

So why do they pretend to take the game in their hands and twist it at their leisure?

I am sad to say that when those bad ancient alliances existed - including BoB, NC and similar - they cried a LOT less against the other EvE areas while both the media and the less PvP oriented players saw a constant barrage of CCP reports about the big fights happening in null sec.
The New Order, on the other side, are complaining every single day while leaving for the media a big fat nothing. Leaving on the log in screen a big fat "Selling 28 PLEX offer" and "SOMER blink" random links because of nothing else to say.


What did those bad null sec alliances of the past do to keep EvE well more lively than today? I am not sure the barges buff can explain this difference.

@OP: *shrug*

There are people who 'hate' high sec, there are people who 'hate' low sec, there are people who 'hate' null sec. They all have their favorite reasons to do so. There are others who don't care, and yet others who move seamlessly between any two or three making it a richer experience for them. Conflict increases the entertainment value of the game for many, so yeah - keep poasting about how X-sec hates Y-sec :)

Yah camping, stations fight is indeed cool in zero sec go have a look. But before you see you get killed because of the gate camps in low sec

Nah pvp is not fun in eve only when you have war agains 100 vs 100 / 1 vs 1 ? where. People are shooting in zero sec because the are pissing there pants when unknow player warps in local thats the reaseon why the shooting.

Gonna have to adress this comment. We dont make any of these threads, just reply to them.

The only ones hating on high sec are the one's that wish to force you to play the way they do.they hate that they can't ruin your day

In the end high sec is fine as it stands. Low sec and 0.0 are player run if there lack of content this the players fault. 0.0 is flat out player run if its dead blame the players that are down there. There are less big fleet fights for the reason the other allinace cant put aside there own egos to knock back say TEST OR GOONS.

Yes high sec has more players for a good reason we dont like the Bull S**** of low and 0.0. All anyone see low and 0.0 is a waste land of pvp. sure you can make a ton of isk there but why when you know youll get blobed.

Low sec and 0.0 are like this because of the whole blob and gank fleet and hot drops but hay what ever leave high sec alone and let the low secer and null bears cry how messed up it is and we can sit back and point and say "well HTFU its like this because of you not because of high sec you more players down there change how you play the game so other will enjoy comeing there." STop trying to change high sec to make players play your dumbass low sec 0.0 game there more them one side to this story and both are right and wrong But dont try to force high nerf that would kill the game and CCP knows this every well.

Eve is Modern Art now dahhhhling.

I dislike high sec because I think it's unfit for purpose.

First, there are too many foregone conclusions. Targets of grief moves die too quickly with too little room to respond, and repraisal is too absolute, leaving little for the victim to do afterwards, or any uncertainty for the attacker as to his prospects (the result is always his death).

Second, consequences aren't properly enforced. Suicide ganking alts can not only live, but operate in a largely undiminished capacity, with no care or concern about their security status. They can live docked in high-sec stations, have others supply their needs through routine channels, dock out and go to an instawarp bookmark (even bypassing people who know what they're trying to do and are willing to attempt to stop them), have a scout find a target and provide a warp in, and kill pretty much anyone they like, with no serious ill effects on them and nothing for their victim to do because there are no real assets or persistent characters to target with retributive measures, and no point at which they can be engaged in combat prior to the gank attempt. These alts are just untouchable throw-aways who can operate for as long as they or their sponsor can afford to keep buying the hulls.

Thirdly, a lot of the "danger" that does exist is based on gaps and loopholes that are patently dumb but persist and are regarded affectionately because that's all there is to do on the "dark side". The entire notion of suicide ganking a freighter is built on the idea that a mugging isn't a mugging if someone else swings the club, which is silly. The looted goods are obviously stolen and should be regarded as such...

...but that would have to happen as part of a cohesive set of changes that make it possible to "mug" someone in high sec and get away with it. There should be a black market where stolen goods can be sold; there should be systems in place to make engaging a target in high sec a less certain outcome on both sides. Instead of invincible space police, for example, there could be defensive measures that allow a target to survive for a minimum period of time during which he can send out a distress call, and anyone who'd in the area and interested can come to help - potentially leading to something like a pick up fight where the attackers could win, or the white knighters could win. A more dynamic place that still offers some sembalance of law and order.

Stuff like that might be harder to achieve but I think it's a much better notion that just adding hit points on to commonly targetted ships, or just letting "the bad guys" run around doing whatever they want in a section of space that's meant to be lawful.

I think it would be good if high sec for "bad guys" were more like low sec for "good guys": you should be able to conduct raids and operations that might succeed, but that put you into an environment that's more dangerous for you... preferably while giving high-sec dwellers more of a sense of protection and support, but leaving more of the actual action in their hands.

There should also be less of a reason to even want to use alts for ganking, and stricter enforcement of assigned consequences that you can't just bypass by not caring about that character. That's a tall order, but you can't really expect to influence actions by imposing consequences if facing them is optional.

Short answer to the thread title.

High sec people are playing the game.

Low/null people are playing the forum.

So... high sec = fun and engaging gameplay while null/low = boring and not worth playing.

Mr Epeen