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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#21 - 2012-12-08 18:34:39 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Welp, Bitter Vet is 'officially' 100,000,000 SP.....or so they say.

I'm a little over halfway there, and yeah, that's going to be a ton of Level 5's that's for sure.

I'll post an update when I'm there in 3 years.

You're unsubbing at Christmas, remember?


Does that somehow prevent me from returning later if things change? You are so without thinking capabiity you have to ask ?

No to the first....yes to the second.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#22 - 2012-12-08 18:45:54 UTC
Peter Tjordenskiold wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
I talked briefly with Jon Lander (CCP Unifex) about the importance of adding some content for veterans soon.

Let's hope he listens... my reasons to stick around ran out long ago. :|


Who needs content? We are creating the content!

I'm telling this to you after 6 years of EVE.


I feel as though I've created my share...
Mr Pragmatic
#23 - 2012-12-08 18:54:42 UTC
1/4 of a bitter vet here.

I don't mind the changes they do to Eve, What I do mind however is Bugs. The big bugs, that somehow no one seen.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Merouk Baas
#24 - 2012-12-08 20:06:54 UTC
Actually bittervets are just veteran players who have been around for a while. It's one of those inevitable things, you become bittervet no matter what. Along the same lines as "everyone is a spy."
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#25 - 2012-12-08 20:39:04 UTC
I think that being a bittervet is more about the attitude than some specific number of SP or having X ships nerfed out under you. Being able to fly everything also helps ofc.

And yes - bitter vet does care.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-12-09 18:37:47 UTC
4 1/2 year old Capsuleer with just under 80 mill skill points reporting in.

Not sure if that qualifies me as a Veteran but there is one thing that really makes me very bitter.

The fact that during my Cloning License time period (4 1/2 yrs), I've lost over 6 months of play time / Skill Training for being offline at various times due to Technical/Financial reasons.

Blink

DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Malecite
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-12-09 18:45:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Malecite
155m toon check
140m toon check
118m toon check
can fly anything ov all toons check
can fly all ships ingame inc 4 races of titans check
have done everything in eve check
vet status: only skilling due boredom & the time consumingness of eve check
Mag's
Azn Empire
#28 - 2012-12-09 18:48:11 UTC
Can't say I'm bitter.
I can't play atm due to RL constraints, but still have a big passion for Eve. Like no other game I've ever come across. Cool

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Winterblink
#29 - 2012-12-09 18:49:06 UTC
There's a ton of people who have constructively critical things to say about this game that are inappropriately labeled as "bitter".

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Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2012-12-10 01:36:05 UTC
If you have to ask, you're not a bittervet.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-10 02:14:21 UTC
Darwins Hammer wrote:
So from my limited knowledge of the game a bitter vet is someone who has

1. Had their gameplay style nerfed

2. Invested tons of time, isk and skill points into training for a ship only to see it nerfed and they believe that they have wasted that time and CCP will never refund their SP.


So were new Vets created when


1. Supercaps were nerfed after people spent a year perfecting them


2. Tengu pilots who spent a year perfecting that ship only to find out that they have been nerfed.



and the advice given is


1. CCP; spent six months training some else. just keep subbed.


2. Bitter vets "Cross train for everything as one day your favourite ship will be nerfed to death"



Question

1. Have any new bitter vets been created over this patch

2. Can you think of other times that bitter vets have been created.

3. As most players are caldari and the tengu is a viable option for a new player do you think that many will consider quitting as they have just spent there first year training for a ship that has been nerfed and they cannot be bothered to train for a different ship (before you say that it does not take long to train for another ship remember its not what you think its what they think)


You are 6 years to late pal. I can fly everything if i want.
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#32 - 2012-12-10 02:29:47 UTC
My definition of bitter vet:

must be between 2003-2005 char

must have had a play style eclipsed several times

must have had their favourite ship eclipsed in role, forcing them to not fly it in favour of the new to keep competing (adds to the bitter!)

must have been very pro eve at one point

mainly just plays due to the "already invested this much" philosophy .



The first few changes to ships and stuff are normally all good and taken well, after the 13th change you are very.. really..again?
The year of the char for bitter vet requirement will go up by 1yr each year.

Would love to see the stats on the following.

Char ages: number created, number still playing, number of non sold chars in the same 2 previous to get a good understanding of how many Original bittervets are still with us :-)
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-12-10 02:34:55 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
My definition of bitter vet:

must be between 2003-2005 char

must have had a play style eclipsed several times

must have had their favourite ship eclipsed in role, forcing them to not fly it in favour of the new to keep competing (adds to the bitter!)

must have been very pro eve at one point

mainly just plays due to the "already invested this much" philosophy .



The first few changes to ships and stuff are normally all good and taken well, after the 13th change you are very.. really..again?
The year of the char for bitter vet requirement will go up by 1yr each year.

Would love to see the stats on the following.

Char ages: number created, number still playing, number of non sold chars in the same 2 previous to get a good understanding of how many Original bittervets are still with us :-)



I'm from 2006 and I share these feelings so I hereby demand to adjust your years Evil

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#34 - 2012-12-10 02:39:07 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
My definition of bitter vet:

must be between 2003-2005 char

must have had a play style eclipsed several times

must have had their favourite ship eclipsed in role, forcing them to not fly it in favour of the new to keep competing (adds to the bitter!)

must have been very pro eve at one point

mainly just plays due to the "already invested this much" philosophy .



The first few changes to ships and stuff are normally all good and taken well, after the 13th change you are very.. really..again?
The year of the char for bitter vet requirement will go up by 1yr each year.

Would love to see the stats on the following.

Char ages: number created, number still playing, number of non sold chars in the same 2 previous to get a good understanding of how many Original bittervets are still with us :-)



I'm from 2006 and I share these feelings so I hereby demand to adjust your years Evil


i will not adjust them, however, as it is you, I shall allow you into the club early :-P
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-10 07:19:13 UTC
you dont need the character sales vs non sales as ccp has access to the accounts, and that can tell you how many vets there are regardless of character sales. or even character creations.

what would be needed is the account continuously subbed / subbed 75% of the time between creation and now (i remember ghost training) adjusted for alt accounts (of which im not sure that there is a good easy metric to figure this out, many alt accounts are plexed ingame so there isnt a clear paper trail out of game to follow)

also - 2008 player here,

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2012-12-10 07:24:11 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Welp, Bitter Vet is 'officially' 100,000,000 SP.....or so they say.

I'm a little over halfway there, and yeah, that's going to be a ton of Level 5's that's for sure.

I'll post an update when I'm there in 3 years.

You're unsubbing at Christmas, remember?

That's quite a christmas gift.
milllo wrote:
bitter vet here

I dont mind new things, what i mind are nerfing old things.

seems like all they do now is nerf old things

Nerfing old things is the new thing.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-12-10 07:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Peter Tjordenskiold wrote:
Who needs content? We are creating the content!

I'm telling this to you after 6 years of EVE.

Normally, we don't. We just make existing content operational.
A matter of wording, but oh well...

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-12-10 07:56:29 UTC
I'm sure there are tons of things that create a bitter vet, just like there are a ton that can create a devoted loving player. Of course the bitter vet has to have been the latter first.

For me it has been a bit of a roller coaster, currently heading towards the up side. (loving player - not there yet, but if things keep going like they are...) The things that would turn me into a biter vet have been when it felt like CCP only cared about my money and caring for EVE and its players was no where near the top of the priority list. I understand a company needs to make money to survive, but one also must care about the product they are selling. The other and mostly related is when balancing and fixes are not done at all. I don't mean some every few weeks. I am refering to years of neglect. When things boiled down to, "Fly/use x,y,z or GTFO" the variety and flavor of the game was gone.

EVE still has a long way to go with balancing and fixes, but there is genuine effort being put into it right now. As long as that keeps up I will happily subscribe.*


*regretably, I am sure to make the occasional bitter post when something bothers me - sorry
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#39 - 2012-12-10 08:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Peter Tjordenskiold wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
I talked briefly with Jon Lander (CCP Unifex) about the importance of adding some content for veterans soon.

Let's hope he listens... my reasons to stick around ran out long ago. :|


Who needs content? We are creating the content!

I'm telling this to you after 6 years of EVE.



"Content" in EVE isn't a new dungeon, it's new ways to interact with other players and new playstyles in the game.

Retribution kind of added new content, in that the previous placeholder "To do: bounty hunting" system has been replaced with a bounty hunting system.

But yeah, the last real expansion was Apocrypha.

Which is not at all to say that the last 18 months of "OK Ok we're fixing it" wasn' a hundred times better than the previous 18 months. How quickly we forget...

But yeah, I think CCP have fixed a fantastic amount of stuff and really I think that EVE is now a far firmer foundation on which to build new modes of play and new systems of interaction.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Sister Lumi
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-12-10 08:00:22 UTC
Bittervets don't read or post in GD, they have their own forums where they can bitter amongst other unsubbed grumpy old nerds.





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