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CCP says we cheat ! yesterday we were bot /marco. what will tommoro be ?

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Royal NASA
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-09 07:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Royal NASA
I do not like the idea that CCP has deemed us all as cheaters!

you are the first DEVS to control players NOT in game. PENALTY ?
You have set up a timer penalty system!

Players do drop connection for a split second due to packet lost or power failure , be that there fault or not, 15 min is extreme and insulting !

Congratulations EVE CCP you are the first DEVS to have control of players NOT in game. be that now 15 min from 5 !
Is this Cruel childish or just plain arrogance?

''i was in a lvl 4 mission with 2 chars on 2 computers 2 screen's as 3rd corp member arrive i lost one char connection and could not re join for 15 min .while haplessly watching my ship blow up!- from the 2nd char computer . the fact i could not log back in is really arrogant and NOT good customer service . because you think we are cheating or maco bot using. when does
NOT Happy !
FACT. disconection happens all the time . get over it and show some respect!
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-12-09 07:58:00 UTC
wat?
Midnight Pheonix
The Corpening
#3 - 2012-12-09 07:58:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Midnight Pheonix
To my knowledge this shouldn't of happened, you should have been able to log in immediately again. If this truly was the case, petition it and try to get a refund on your ship.

EDIT: I have dc'd since the expansion while under suspect and limited engagement timers and was allowed to log in immediately.
Karrde Belarr
Critical Horizon
#4 - 2012-12-09 08:00:18 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
wat?


I think he's referring to the limitation that now when you engage in combat with either an NPC or player your ship remains in space for an amount of time after you log out. Though I haven't had this happen yet, so I can't confirm the "inability to log in" he's experiencing.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#5 - 2012-12-09 08:01:15 UTC
Maybe I'm just uninformed, but how is a D/C related to using a bot?

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Vito Tattaglia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-09 08:04:15 UTC
Admittedly, i have no idea what the OP was supposed to say...


but if what you're trying to say is "PvE combat should not create a log off timer!" then you are correct, I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the patch. Only PvP combat should cause your ship to stay on grid for 15 minutes.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-09 08:07:01 UTC
NPC aggression is fine. Stop botting.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-12-09 08:12:32 UTC
Royal NASA wrote:
I do not like the idea that CCP has deemed us all as cheaters!

you are the first DEVS to control players NOT in game. PENALTY ?
You have set up a timer penalty system!

Players do drop connection for a split second due to packet lost or power failure , be that there fault or not, 15 min is extreme and insulting !

Congratulations EVE CCP you are the first DEVS to have control of players NOT in game. be that now 15 min from 5 !
Is this Cruel childish or just plain arrogance?

''i was in a lvl 4 mission with 2 chars on 2 computers 2 screen's as 3rd corp member arrive i lost one char connection and could not re join for 15 min .while haplessly watching my ship blow up!- from the 2nd char computer . the fact i could not log back in is really arrogant and NOT good customer service . because you think we are cheating or maco bot using. when does
NOT Happy !
FACT. disconection happens all the time . get over it and show some respect!

this rant doesn't make any sense... bots always warp to a POS or station before logging off.

.
Karrde Belarr
Critical Horizon
#9 - 2012-12-09 08:12:42 UTC
Vito Tattaglia wrote:
Admittedly, i have no idea what the OP was supposed to say...


but if what you're trying to say is "PvE combat should not create a log off timer!" then you are correct, I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the patch. Only PvP combat should cause your ship to stay on grid for 15 minutes.


I was pretty sure NPC combat caused a 6-minute timer, right? Though I agree, the 15-minute is PvP-only.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#10 - 2012-12-09 08:13:11 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
Maybe I'm just uninformed, but how is a D/C related to using a bot?


It is "kind of related".
CCP has introduced a new "feature" where ships that have engaged in some for of combat, can't do a logoffski if in trouble.
The ship just sits there, in space.

The timer is 15 minutes if you engaged a player, and 5 minutes if you were engaged in PvE.

Now, imagine you are in a gunboat BS, like a Mach or Nightmare.
Further visualize all your small drones evaporated by the new and improved AI, and you are being scrammed by NPC frigs which your guns can't track. Your tank is slowly being whittled down.

Now, with the new 5 minute timer, what tactic do you do to prevent your ship from going poofy?
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#11 - 2012-12-09 08:20:49 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Maybe I'm just uninformed, but how is a D/C related to using a bot?


It is "kind of related".
CCP has introduced a new "feature" where ships that have engaged in some for of combat, can't do a logoffski if in trouble.
The ship just sits there, in space.

The timer is 15 minutes if you engaged a player, and 5 minutes if you were engaged in PvE.

Now, imagine you are in a gunboat BS, like a Mach or Nightmare.
Further visualize all your small drones evaporated by the new and improved AI, and you are being scrammed by NPC frigs which your guns can't track. Your tank is slowly being whittled down.

Now, with the new 5 minute timer, what tactic do you do to prevent your ship from going poofy?


You buy a better tank befero you go into battle :P

But yeah... I don't see this as a CCPs fault or a ban issue or anything that the op described. How does disconnectiing relate to bots and cheaters?

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-12-09 08:23:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Maybe I'm just uninformed, but how is a D/C related to using a bot?


It is "kind of related".
CCP has introduced a new "feature" where ships that have engaged in some for of combat, can't do a logoffski if in trouble.
The ship just sits there, in space.

The timer is 15 minutes if you engaged a player, and 5 minutes if you were engaged in PvE.

Now, imagine you are in a gunboat BS, like a Mach or Nightmare.
Further visualize all your small drones evaporated by the new and improved AI, and you are being scrammed by NPC frigs which your guns can't track. Your tank is slowly being whittled down.

Now, with the new 5 minute timer, what tactic do you do to prevent your ship from going poofy?


You prevent it by not sucking at PvE or disconnecting. Naturally you can't do much about the second thing, but with modern connections, that's extremely rare thing to happen and you can always passive tank, if you're worried about it.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-09 08:25:27 UTC
ibtl for ranting

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-12-09 08:32:59 UTC
I don't have these problems.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-09 08:34:33 UTC
god forbid CCP adds some risk to missions and ratting

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-09 08:52:14 UTC
I have an extremely good connection and an extremely good pc yet I too get random disconnects now and again. Also power failures can happen. You don't really have control over those things so they should not penalise you ingame because of that. By all means, make missions harder, make anti-drone AI really good but the 5 min timer sucks because there is no way you can protect against it once you dc.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#17 - 2012-12-09 08:52:31 UTC
In the bad old days before Retribution, engaging in NPC combat would result in a 60s timer before your ship disappeared from space. If you were disconnected, your ship would attempt an emergency warp. If you were warp scrambled your ship would end up staying put for 60s then simply disappear from space.

If your account is suspended for any reason you will be disconnected. Thus if your PLEX or subscription runs out, expect an emergency warp out will happen.

Incoherent ranting on the forums does not solve any problems, and only creates more since not only have you lost a ship, you will shortly get trolled by the Forum denizens and invoke the wrath of the forum mods.

Petition your loss, do not blame CCP for your account expiry, and certainly don't make up a silly story about being barred for botting.

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Uwara
The Ares project
#18 - 2012-12-09 08:57:34 UTC
Royal NASA wrote:
I do not like the idea that CCP has deemed us all as cheaters!

arrogant and NOT good customer service.


Now this I understood. Barely.
And its not truth at all.
CCP has best customer service ever (logs on the other hand....)

P.S. - heavy sarcasm intended

Won a G510 keyboard in AT-X on  21.07.2012. Still not delivered, CCP keeps quiet. Customer support needs a raise.
Shokre O'Corwi
The Squid Squad
#19 - 2012-12-09 09:50:43 UTC
NPC aggression -> user get's dc-ed -> ship warps off to a safe spot -> stays on the safe spot until timer runs out -> ship despawns

Did anybody actually test anything before assuming the ship stays on field?
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#20 - 2012-12-09 09:51:28 UTC
Careful guys, this one has just got his tinfoil hat out.

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