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Obama announces complete withdrawal of US troops from Iraq by year's end

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Astenion
Zeeman Industries
The Ancients.
#1 - 2011-10-21 20:44:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
About damn time

Thoughts on this?

I personally think it's long overdue, but I commend him for sticking to his guns and following through with his pledge. The Iraqi government of course wanted them to stay in order to have someone else do their work for them but it seems he was having none of it, which I applaud.

It will be better for both countries.
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#2 - 2011-10-21 22:11:21 UTC
Well political stuff is banned from the forums so I am not going to touch it with a ten foot poll.

My eleven foot poll says wait and see what happens.

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Astenion
Zeeman Industries
The Ancients.
#3 - 2011-10-21 22:15:03 UTC
Not trying to make it political or anything, just relaying the news. I think we can share opinions without getting political, or at least I hope so.
Citizen20100211442
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-21 22:32:41 UTC
Thats just very old newsLol

To be, or not to be, that's the question.

Astenion
Zeeman Industries
The Ancients.
#5 - 2011-10-21 22:44:50 UTC
We have no way of knowing whether or not RP would've done what he claimed to do in the specific timeline in which he claimed to do it either.

That's the equivalent of asking Joe Schmoe on the street what to do. Argument holds no water.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-10-22 00:06:26 UTC
In other news: The number of security contractors in Iraq will increase.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Astenion
Zeeman Industries
The Ancients.
#7 - 2011-10-22 01:45:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
We all knew that was going to happen. However, that's a CHOICE. They're paid craploads of money to do it and they're private corporations. It's no different than working the oil fields.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#8 - 2011-10-22 01:45:53 UTC
Those solders are going somewhere else. Probably Pakistan or Iran.

But I expect to hear a lot of "hey, he got the troops out of Iraq!! Four more years!!!!1!" Meanwhile, we still have hundreds of bases overseas, still in Afghanistan, and whatever happens in Pakistan and Iran, I expect the media to be real quiet about it.

I don't know what's worse. The lying media sock puppets or the people who believe them.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Astenion
Zeeman Industries
The Ancients.
#9 - 2011-10-22 01:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
How would they go to either country? Are you saying they'll be based there or that they're going to attack those countries?

If it's the former, that's simply impossible as neither country will allow them to stay there. If it's the latter...well, let's hope it's not. At least in Pakistan's case.

EDIT: Ah, it's late. Misread what you wrote. Going to bed now.
Adunh Slavy
#10 - 2011-10-22 02:58:57 UTC
The only reason it is happening now is because the Iraqis would not extend the status of forces agreement.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Pj Harvey
Red DUST Industries.
#11 - 2011-10-22 03:37:37 UTC
They'll probably need those soldiers so they can once again fumble about in the invasion of some other sovereign nation and get bled by insurgents bit by bit until they pull out after leaving a proxy government behind so they can then go on to yet another nation to buffoon through it and the cycle repeats until the middle east is under the control of America and Israel.

Personally I like to see Americans getting killed in the middle east, the Arabs are fighting an invader and I hope they win.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#12 - 2011-10-22 03:58:06 UTC  |  Edited by: KaarBaak
Astenion wrote:
About damn time

Thoughts on this?

I personally think it's long overdue, but I commend him for sticking to his guns and following through with his pledge. The Iraqi government of course wanted them to stay in order to have someone else do their work for them but it seems he was having none of it, which I applaud.

It will be better for both countries.


I too applaud this action. However, you seem to have things backward: Obama/DoD wanted to keep troops there, but Iraq had the gall to insist that foreign troops operating in their country would be subject to Iraqi law for certain offenses. US couldn't take the risk, as it's soldiers have a track record of **** and murder of civilians in host countries and would prefer the cover of military trials over foreign civilian courts.

TL;DR: US wanted to stay, Iraq said follow our laws or leave. US leaves. Politicians spin it.

Dum Spiro Spero

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-22 07:09:53 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
The only reason it is happening now is because the Iraqis would not extend the status of forces agreement.

Or this is a maneuver to win over more electors.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-22 07:13:06 UTC
Who is ready for Iraq-Iran War number 2?

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-10-22 09:40:29 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Astenion wrote:
I personally think it's long overdue, but I commend him for sticking to his guns and following through with his pledge.

Adunh Slavy wrote:
The only reason it is happening now...

Pj Harvey wrote:
They'll probably need those soldiers so they can once again fumble about in the invasion of some other sovereign nation...

KaarBaak wrote:
I too applaud this action.



This thread is hillarious.

A bunch of arm chair pundits who think they're talking about something with consequence by pointing out the same man said the same thing he's said several times before and then didn't do it.

It doesn't matter what mitigating circumstance you personally put under the microscope at any given time. You are not privy to his meetings or inner thoughts. If he lied then, was wrong then, or changed his mind THEN... he may very well lie, err, or reconsider again. No reason for this to be anything but bird cage liner regardless of your political position.

At least the people who assume he's lying are following a trend. You guys? Even if you're right and it happens, it's by accident. For every 'fact' you think you know there are plenty you must reasonably admit you do not when it comes to the President's knowledge and agenda vs yours.

Suddenly believing this is 'news', like 33rd time's the charm or something?
Wow. There aren't enough islands left for this many Giligans.

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Astenion
Zeeman Industries
The Ancients.
#16 - 2011-10-22 10:19:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
The Bush Administration already had set the timeline for the end of 2011 and Obama just followed through. The US wanted to stay as long as they had immunity. Iraqis said no. The US pulls out. There's no secret agenda here and nothing at all privileged. You obviously have no idea what a SOFA is or how it works. There has always been immunity in a warzone and to actually suggest that there shouldn't be is laughable at best. If a government requests troops in their country, they don't say, "Yes, we want you here but our courts supersede your military justice system." Anyone who would ever agree to that is a ******* idiot.
Astenion
Zeeman Industries
The Ancients.
#17 - 2011-10-22 10:28:31 UTC
Pj Harvey wrote:
They'll probably need those soldiers so they can once again fumble about in the invasion of some other sovereign nation and get bled by insurgents bit by bit until they pull out after leaving a proxy government behind so they can then go on to yet another nation to buffoon through it and the cycle repeats until the middle east is under the control of America and Israel.

Personally I like to see Americans getting killed in the middle east, the Arabs are fighting an invader and I hope they win.


Troll fail.
Adunh Slavy
#18 - 2011-10-22 12:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
VKhaun Vex wrote:

Adunh Slavy wrote:
The only reason it is happening now...


This thread is hillarious.

A bunch of arm chair pundits ...



Sorry doood but Leon Penetta, Head of DOD, just last week was attempting to get the SoF extended with the Iraqis. They said no, so now thee troops are out. Maybe you should pick up a newspaper from time to time.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Khors
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-10-22 13:46:45 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I don't know what's worse. The lying media sock puppets or the people who believe them.


The puppets that look at opposing media channels and believe that instead.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#20 - 2011-10-22 14:19:47 UTC
Never should have gone there in the first place.

But then the rest of the world would not be aware how fun waterboarding and building human pyramids can be.....

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