EVE General Discussion

it's not just the non-consensual pvp that makes eve eve
it's the full loot on the corpse rights (well on stuff that doesnt explode with the ship)
it's the player driven economy
it's the pve
it's the risk you place yourself in wherever you undock
it's the need to plan ahead for what you 'want' to do.
it's the level-less, skillbased character progression



everything that makes eve great, happens in nulsec, and lowsec and wormholes and hisec
without hisec eve is not eve, it's a dead, unplayable, stinking pile of ****

Not having read the thread responses yet..

Highsec is fine and we have enough of it. I do think the map could change and shift over time, with lowsec moving out into NPC Null or vice versa, maybe even True Null encroaching on NPC Null as it moves inward. Highsec could spread to Lowsec from time to time and Lowsec could likewise do the same, moving in on Highsec. Personally, I'd welcome a more dynamic map.

Highsec doesn't need to be bigger though, or have more systems, as much of it is used, plenty of it isn't.

Null is empty, mostly. Lowsec is sometimes empty and sometimes used, with some systems being heavily used compared to others. FW systems obviously see more dynamic changes recently.

Fact is, all that aside, Highsec has plenty, and while some things could be adjusted, changed, fixed or whatever, Nullsec and Lowsec could use some love.

Players stay in Highsec for a reason. Mostly because it is much less trouble than Low or Null. If you go to Low or Null, you generally get ganked; obviously that is not the desired outcome of playing. The players are responsible for this, and it is their doing. It has nothing to do with CCP or how potentially profitable Low and Null are, or if they have content.

If you can't access it, then there is little point in going after it. For the most part, you can't access it.

I actually thought it would be a good idea for Nullsec Alliances to adopt a temporary ceasefire policy on Neutrals, to let them in and allow them to run the sites and explore what Null has to offer. A chance to familiarize themselves with it. Of course, this does provide opportunities, but they could continue to guard their core systems during the period.

Is it possible for all of Nullsec to suddenly open its doors for a week? No idea, but I think at least a section of it could be. The question is, whether they would want to or see any value in it, and then, if they would hold to their end and actually let players through.

It may never happen, but it would be interesting if it did.

In short, Null and Lowsec, regardless of the residents there, need to be brought up to speed with certain changes to Industry, POS, and other things that would make them more reasonably self-sustainable.

Lowsec doesn't really have a problem, so much as True Null does. At least Lowsec has services in NPC stations. The primary issue is the ability to manufacture and produce, cut down on far-reaching logistics requirements, and increase the variety of activity across all of Null and Low.

Shifting security levels and resulting NPC spawns, spread out resources, with shifting concentrations of those resources over several month cycles, with larger quantities in one place or another at any given time, but availability of all everywhere.

That means moons have to be changed, along with player stations, POS structures, calculations for system security, NPC spawn moving with security shifts, and various other things. In such a fashion even, that the player driven market becomes less predictable as a result, which would change all of High, Low, and Null over time.

Consider the possibility that, under a new resource distribution system, all of Null and Low might see a widespread wealth of resources, or a widespread shortage for long periods. How would this affect the game? Should it affect the game? I think so.

New Eden is a Cluster of Solar Systems, and a widely diverse number of worlds. Why should it suffer under static limitations?

Low sec is no mans land, a buffer for null sec players that holds back a flood of would be invaders encroaching from high sec. Largely that's the way they like it.

My dearest friend, I have posted in C&P a reminder to you about a bounty you owe me.
I don't want to call you a liar or anything like that, but you promised a 500M bounty on me weeks ago before Retribution went live and yet you have placed zero on my head.

Please fulfill your promise.

as a newly subscribed player im glad to see people in eve hate those who have a different idea of having fun

makes me feel like home,very heartwarming

No, it really isn't.
There are systems in highsec that have more capabilities than entire regions of null, and there is absolutely nothing the players can do about that because those limitations are hard-coded into the game. And that's before we get into things like logistics and security and just plain old UI — all of which are hard-coded and beyond player control as well.

A big “if”, I feel…

At any rate, this is one of the examples where it's not just enough to buff the area concerned — other areas need a decent round of nerfs as well, or the buffs will have no effect: yay, [random region] now has the capability of providing 1500 slots rather than 500… but Nonni still has 750 production slots in perfect-refinery stations in a single system in sprinting-distance from where all the materials are (Jita). Sure, the moons are limited in that system, but who needs moons with that station capacity?

Unless they make it so that POSes and outposts can massively outperform NPC stations, there is pretty much zero incentive to change the status quo… and if they're buffed that far, we're veering very close to “too much” territory. Not to mention that those same POS benefits would probably be available in highsec as well, so the logistical ease and inherent security would still make it the better option. Sure, making the NPC refining worse and having them charge an entire leg factory for using it would be a start, but something pretty drastic would be needed to outweigh those two advantages.

Hahaha.

I recall CCP posted how the average EvE player had 2.5 subs.
Let's assume that TEST got 12k players or so and GS about 9000. Thousand more, thousand less. These are also more or less the two alliances who create the most hugest majority of complaints threads.
That makes 52,500 subs vs a total of about 330-360k.
Even doubling the number to take into account the other nullsec alliances it's still about 100k accounts vs 330-360k.

Now, do you see why CCP does not blindly steamroll hi sec like it's being demanded so much?

You could do a calculation of accounts from how many accounts are linked to the same email, same credid cards etc.