Ships & Modules

I've thought for a long time that their should be some love for the tier 1 BC's

The logical change in my opinion would be to slightly reduce the sig radius and slightly increase the base speed of the Tier 1 BC's so they are in effect a little smaller and faster than the tier 2 BC's, maybe a little lighter as well?

That would make sense to me, currently the Tier 2's are basically better in every way.

Correct. It still makes a great gas mining platform.

Especially regarding the fact, that active armor sucks in combination with turrets that need cap too.


regards,

rob

Drake always has been king. It's my most flown ship and i've only owned one for 6 months. They dont die and the project amazing damage.

Now they Do even more damage.

I'm a bit butt hurt that the cane got a Nerf before I managed to spec med AC's but I'm really excited to try out a dual web nano HAM drake paired with a heavy tackle enyo or vengence.

So, wait, an active tanking bonused ship is better in 1v1 than the non-active tanking Tier 2...

And this isn't balanced?

HOW EVEN? I mean, yes, the active-tank bonused ship will not be as good in fleet fights where you have logistics and massive alpha (thus making raw buffer and damage the most important features), but that's just it's nature. You get a better skirmisher in exchange for not being as good a fleetfighter. That's what I call balance.

Crivens, you bunch of whiners.

Kemenev et al. in The Hurricane Sucks Party: if you want your 425 and dual neut welpcane, learn to Reactor Control II. Powergrid issues totally solved. Your argument? Destroyed.

As for the Cyclone totally eating everything alive? Now, 10% less due to the ASB nerf. And on that note, people can always go back to the old 720DPS buffer-gank fit I always flew, which now eclipses the canes of idiots too ignorant to look in the Engineering module section when fitting their Hurricanes. Er...yeah, I guess that does make the Cyclone OP, then.

As for the Ferox? The ship is out-DPSed and nearly out-tanked by a Moa these days.

The way it seems to me, Fozzie has moved the hull classes into roles. The role for an attack cruiser seems to make them push out between 450-550 DPS without going stupid gank. This is pushing at the lower limit of what a non-gank Ferox is doing and has always done, except you get out of the whole experience about 500m/s faster and 30-40M cheaper.

Bombardment cruisers seem to be hitting 350-450 DPS across the board. Given the tier 3 battlecruisers exist, these are gunboats which fit the Bombardment role quite well.

So. Looking at BC's, if we take the Hurricane to be an Attack BC, which with the judicious use of a single fitting module, becomes a benchmark at around 800 DPS. You can't make the Cyclone fit the Bombardment role as that is clearly the Tornado. So maybe the role thing will get a bit fuzzy, or maybe the vision is to turn the Tier 1's into EWAR Battlecruisers, which would be pretty interesting.

The Harby as an attack BC, is in the butter zone. It is equivalent to a Cane, DPS and Tank wise, and it is not really in need of a change.

Gallente wise, the Brutix will probably get a DPS bonus of some sort, and be spruced up to fit a beefier shield tank - losing the rep bonus maybe. It is pretty naive to think any armour ship can compete with ASB's and the surgery to restore active armour to parity with ASB's will probably see further things broken, versus balance. The Myrm is definitely not a bombardment platform and would fit more into the utility or EWAR field - leaving the Brutix as an Attack BC.

Caldari wise, Drake is the Attack role model and is basically fine, but the Ferox wcannot be the Bombardment BC, and better not get any rail bonus (Naga, CCP, Naga). So you really do start to want to see an EWAR role in the Battlecruiser hull class.

So what would a line of EWAR Battlecruisers look like?

For a start, as they'll almost all be Tier 1 hulls, maintaining the Warfare Link CPU bonus would be one essential role bonus to give them.

Given we have the Scorpion, BB, Falcon, Keres, the Caldari hardly need another ECM boat. Even the thought of a Ferox with 70K EHP tank, decent maneuverability, and 6 ranbow jams makes me /wrists. On the other hand, a tanky bloated Arbitrator style Prophecy; a damp-capable drone-spewing Myrmidon (ie; a mega-Maulus), a TP'ing kitey HAM-chucking Cyclone are all doable concepts.

So I would think the Ferox, in this role, would maybe gain remote sensor boosting (making it an invaluable pirate boat overnight), remote ECCM maybe, or even ECM burst or other bizarre bonus in order to avoid having to make an even more stupid ECM boat than already exists.

Minnie wise, if they do murder the Cyclone's awesome dual weapon platform and dumb it down to a giant Breacher, we should expect that it will be a HAM-chucking kiting ship with 650-750 DPS and a TP bonus. This will require 7 HAMs in the highs and the ability to kludge on 2-3 BCU's, a DCU and maybe a fitting module.

The Prophecy as a EWAR BC with drones will need to either field 5 Ogre IIs and utility highs (think: giant Dagoon) to get to 650 DPS, or be a Cycloneclone and Drake Clone, yet another HAM-chucker. I would hope they turn it into a bloated Arby with TD bonus, neut range bonus (4 x 24km mediums ftw) and 5 large drones for DPS.

The Myrm as an EWAR BC probably needs one more mid, a damp bonus, ability to chuck out 5 Ogres, and that's about it.

Under this fanciful plan, CCP would then be left nly with Logistic and Exploration roles to fill in the BC class, which I would think would be for some far future bizarro world where Scythes and Scimitars are no longer effective.

I am still very mad at CCP for trying to remove splitweapons, instead of fixing them.

ferox needs love
it's an awesome looking ship IMHO but it sucks ass

HAM Nighthawk anyone?