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Need Mackinaw permatank ignore-the-rats
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#1 - 2012-12-06 00:18:25 UTC
I do mining missions in my Mackinaw. I've got fairly solid skillz (5 in almost all), but I find that the rats in level 3 or 4 mining missions easily take my drones into armour damage.

So I'd like to fit a permatank Mackinaw that can just sit there and keep mining, and ignore the rats as they pund away, then set the shield alarm at 20% or 30%, and if does start beeping, I'll then launch my drones and pwn the rats.

Either an active tank (30-35% threshold), or a passive regen one (20%, especially if I fit a DC2), and if necessary I'm willing to use all 3 LOW slots on it, in addition to the 4 MID slots. And 2 RIG slots.

Any suggestions?
Violated Soul
My Ass Is On Fire
#2 - 2012-12-06 01:06:19 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I do mining missions in my Mackinaw. I've got fairly solid skillz (5 in almost all), but I find that the rats in level 3 or 4 mining missions easily take my drones into armour damage.

So I'd like to fit a permatank Mackinaw that can just sit there and keep mining, and ignore the rats as they pund away, then set the shield alarm at 20% or 30%, and if does start beeping, I'll then launch my drones and pwn the rats.

Either an active tank (30-35% threshold), or a passive regen one (20%, especially if I fit a DC2), and if necessary I'm willing to use all 3 LOW slots on it, in addition to the 4 MID slots. And 2 RIG slots.

Any suggestions?


People do mining missions ?
Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-07 17:57:28 UTC
[Mackinaw, Solo AFK]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Survey Scanner II
Cap Recharger II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Small Shield Booster II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone I x5

Stable at 53%. Laughs off any high sec rat.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-12-07 17:59:40 UTC
I don't think that will stand up to most missions. Belts yes, but the OP is asking for a mission fit.

I'm finding it rather difficult to get a good mack fit myself, despite its new status as the best barge. I usually stick with the skiff, and OP I would reccomend going with that over the mack.

The yield is mostly the same, if not better, and the tank is vastly superior. If it's just the ore hold you're after, I guess stay with the mack, but 15k is nothing to sneeze at.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2012-12-07 18:25:18 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I do mining missions in my Mackinaw. I've got fairly solid skillz (5 in almost all), but I find that the rats in level 3 or 4 mining missions easily take my drones into armour damage.

So I'd like to fit a permatank Mackinaw that can just sit there and keep mining, and ignore the rats as they pund away, then set the shield alarm at 20% or 30%, and if does start beeping, I'll then launch my drones and pwn the rats.

Either an active tank (30-35% threshold), or a passive regen one (20%, especially if I fit a DC2), and if necessary I'm willing to use all 3 LOW slots on it, in addition to the 4 MID slots. And 2 RIG slots.

Any suggestions?


Have you considered starting to work on the rats before your shield recharge reaches breaking point? Like maybe straight away?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ginger Barbarella
#6 - 2012-12-07 19:25:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Salpad wrote:
I do mining missions in my Mackinaw. I've got fairly solid skillz (5 in almost all), but I find that the rats in level 3 or 4 mining missions easily take my drones into armour damage.

So I'd like to fit a permatank Mackinaw that can just sit there and keep mining, and ignore the rats as they pund away, then set the shield alarm at 20% or 30%, and if does start beeping, I'll then launch my drones and pwn the rats.

Either an active tank (30-35% threshold), or a passive regen one (20%, especially if I fit a DC2), and if necessary I'm willing to use all 3 LOW slots on it, in addition to the 4 MID slots. And 2 RIG slots.

Any suggestions?


Have you considered starting to work on the rats before your shield recharge reaches breaking point? Like maybe straight away?


Use a Skiff. Slower, but it can take a beating.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-07 19:44:04 UTC
I only cobbled this up in EFT, I think it has enough passive shield regen for your requirements.
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[Mackinaw, AFK Mining Mission]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Shield Recharger II
Medium Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Mining Drone I x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Swap the ward amp for the appropriate flavor for rats where you're mining. With the regen, and an appropriate resistance amplifier, I think you may be able to out-regen the rats found in typical high sec belts and missions.
Rizotto Kolompar
Deus ExSilium
#8 - 2012-12-07 20:47:07 UTC
Nerf mackinaw, too much hp.
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-12-07 23:48:21 UTC
The Procurer and Skiff can both take a savage beating and the yield difference doesn't amount to too much, give one of those a bash.

I lied :o
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-08 03:34:43 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
The Procurer and Skiff can both take a savage beating and the yield difference doesn't amount to too much, give one of those a bash.

True, but for mining missions, the quest asteroids are smaller and will pop with about 1/2 of a T1 strip miner cycle. So I have no clue how he intends to do them afk since you have to move around a bunch, and the yield bonus on the 1 & 2 strip barges are pretty irrelevant. The fit I personally use for mining missions have nanofibers and a microwarp drive for maneuverability.

Violated Soul wrote:
People do mining missions ?

I do mining missions as a way to grind faction without trashing other factions. For example, if you do Caldari Navy security missions, you're usually shooting "federation" rats and trashing your Gallente faction. Since half my R&D agents are located in Gallente space, I have to avoid torquing them off more than I have to. You can only do Sister of Eve arc every 90 days.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#11 - 2012-12-08 10:22:56 UTC
Huttan Funaila wrote:

Violated Soul wrote:
People do mining missions ?

I do mining missions as a way to grind faction without trashing other factions. For example, if you do Caldari Navy security missions, you're usually shooting "federation" rats and trashing your Gallente faction. Since half my R&D agents are located in Gallente space, I have to avoid torquing them off more than I have to. You can only do Sister of Eve arc every 90 days.


How do you grind faction? Mining missions don't give faction standing.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#12 - 2012-12-08 10:30:37 UTC
Huttan Funaila wrote:
Drew Solaert wrote:
The Procurer and Skiff can both take a savage beating and the yield difference doesn't amount to too much, give one of those a bash.

True, but for mining missions, the quest asteroids are smaller and will pop with about 1/2 of a T1 strip miner cycle. So I have no clue how he intends to do them afk since you have to move around a bunch, and the yield bonus on the 1 & 2 strip barges are pretty irrelevant. The fit I personally use for mining missions have nanofibers and a microwarp drive for maneuverability.


No. Some level 3 missions, and most level 4 (ore) missions contain a single huge asteroid, or two large ones. It's perfectly doable to get into range (squeezing in an AB is painful, but worthwhile), set strippers on target, then go AFK, and come back and check now and again.

Level 3 mining missions involve tiny amounts of ore, but level 4 missions involve 44k to 45k m3 of ore, so it's not doable to suck it all in a Mackinaw in one go. What I do is I bring along an equivalent number of units of Veldpsar, e.g. if I'm told to suck 5600 units of mission ore than I bring 5600 Veldspar, so that I have an easy reminder of how much more I have to suck.

when I'm a bit over the halfway mark, I either warp back to down and unload the mined ore (and the equivalent amount of Veldspar) or else I jetcan it (the mission ore and the Veldspar). Ideally I then have an Industrial with a Small Tractor Beam, so I can quickly retrieve the jetcan later, but in practice I haven't set that up out where I currently do level 4 mining missions, which is far from everything.


As for my fit:
Med. Ancillary Current Router
Med. Aux. Thruster

2x Stripper

Small Shield Booster
10MN Afterburner
EM Ward Amplifier
Cap Recharger

2x MAPC
Mining Laser Upgrade

meta level to taste
Alec Stacer
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#13 - 2012-12-08 19:31:44 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I do mining missions in my Mackinaw. I've got fairly solid skillz (5 in almost all), but I find that the rats in level 3 or 4 mining missions easily take my drones into armour damage.

So I'd like to fit a permatank Mackinaw that can just sit there and keep mining, and ignore the rats as they pund away, then set the shield alarm at 20% or 30%, and if does start beeping, I'll then launch my drones and pwn the rats.

Either an active tank (30-35% threshold), or a passive regen one (20%, especially if I fit a DC2), and if necessary I'm willing to use all 3 LOW slots on it, in addition to the 4 MID slots. And 2 RIG slots.

Any suggestions?




So what you are saying is that you want to AFK through the mission? What system do you mission in, Im going to come and gank you in hisec.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#14 - 2012-12-09 01:36:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
L4 Mack Solo L4 Miner Fit:

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II*

Small Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Mining Crystal II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Miner Drone II x5

HX-1005 Implant

*DCU II if you need more tank, it's cap stable, and tanks rats fine.
Ginger Barbarella
#15 - 2012-12-11 18:49:12 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Huttan Funaila wrote:

Violated Soul wrote:
People do mining missions ?

I do mining missions as a way to grind faction without trashing other factions. For example, if you do Caldari Navy security missions, you're usually shooting "federation" rats and trashing your Gallente faction. Since half my R&D agents are located in Gallente space, I have to avoid torquing them off more than I have to. You can only do Sister of Eve arc every 90 days.


How do you grind faction? Mining missions don't give faction standing.


Mining missions are just like any other mission: do 16, get a storyline.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Kairos Antilles
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-12-11 23:52:46 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Salpad wrote:
Huttan Funaila wrote:

Violated Soul wrote:
People do mining missions ?

I do mining missions as a way to grind faction without trashing other factions. For example, if you do Caldari Navy security missions, you're usually shooting "federation" rats and trashing your Gallente faction. Since half my R&D agents are located in Gallente space, I have to avoid torquing them off more than I have to. You can only do Sister of Eve arc every 90 days.


How do you grind faction? Mining missions don't give faction standing.


Mining missions are just like any other mission: do 16, get a storyline.


Damn, you beat me to it...
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#17 - 2012-12-12 04:56:18 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Salpad wrote:
Huttan Funaila wrote:

Violated Soul wrote:
People do mining missions ?

I do mining missions as a way to grind faction without trashing other factions. For example, if you do Caldari Navy security missions, you're usually shooting "federation" rats and trashing your Gallente faction. Since half my R&D agents are located in Gallente space, I have to avoid torquing them off more than I have to. You can only do Sister of Eve arc every 90 days.


How do you grind faction? Mining missions don't give faction standing.


Mining missions are just like any other mission: do 16, get a storyline.


So you don't do mining missions to grind faction. You do mining missions in order to grind storyline missions.

Okay. That makes sense to me.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-12-12 18:46:56 UTC
So. What fit are you using now? Did any of them help?