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Sacrilege -what is it good for?

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Calliste Orange
House Orange
#1 - 2012-12-08 04:55:15 UTC
Hello.

I've had Amarr Cruiser V in the bag for a long while, so why not pick up a cheap HAC skillbook and a Sacrilege to see what this thing can do as an active tanker with a standard HAM fit, for PvP?

Not looking to be with any fleet-chums with it because I'm so shy --rather to see what can be done with it solo, if anything. And I simply have no idea, as it stands now, what can be done with it.

It's a nice 3D model, has the Khanid aesthetics and nice resists, but didn't expect it to be so cap-hungry, even with good cap skills.

Perhaps CCP will give HACs a good look at someday (soon-ish?), but ultimately my character parked it 'for later' and dropped back into the ever-trusty Pilgrim -a known quantity at least.

So, what do you reckon, good people? Be interested to hear some views from those who use this thing productively.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2012-12-08 05:57:35 UTC
Calliste Orange wrote:
What is it good for



Its really Reeeeeeally pretty..


Ohh and it will outbrawl all other HAC's.. But noone uses HAC's to brawl..

So you're just going to get an expensive lossmail.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Mary Jayne Sativa
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-12-08 11:24:42 UTC
I find the sacrilige to be a very good ship for small gang stuff. Has a decent tank, capstable with mwd on, decent dps (500+) and good range. Its fast becoming one of my favorite ships alongside stabber fleet issue.
Altho i never used it as active tanker but i guess it could work even in that configuration if u run solo.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-12-08 12:24:31 UTC
Calliste Orange wrote:
Hello.

I've had Amarr Cruiser V in the bag for a long while, so why not pick up a cheap HAC skillbook and a Sacrilege to see what this thing can do as an active tanker with a standard HAM fit, for PvP?

Not looking to be with any fleet-chums with it because I'm so shy --rather to see what can be done with it solo, if anything. And I simply have no idea, as it stands now, what can be done with it.

It's a nice 3D model, has the Khanid aesthetics and nice resists, but didn't expect it to be so cap-hungry, even with good cap skills.

Perhaps CCP will give HACs a good look at someday (soon-ish?), but ultimately my character parked it 'for later' and dropped back into the ever-trusty Pilgrim -a known quantity at least.

So, what do you reckon, good people? Be interested to hear some views from those who use this thing productively.


The Sac is for the following purpose

I want to make a medium term investment, so I'll buy 100 HACs in anticipation of the T2 Cruiser tiercide rebalance, but I can't find enough Eagles on the market.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Seraph Castillon
In Control
Neon Nightmares
#5 - 2012-12-08 12:33:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The Sac is for the following purpose

I want to make a medium term investment, so I'll buy 100 HACs in anticipation of the T2 Cruiser tiercide rebalance, but I can't find enough Eagles on the market.


I'd argue that'd be a long term investment. (Yes, I know you were being funny)
Noisrevbus
#6 - 2012-12-08 12:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
As with most ships you can find use and purpose in bonuses and a general feel for a ship's stats.

I'm pretty sure i've mentioned this at least once before, but that thread was a good few months ago...

Prior to the latest creep (which left most HAC in a state; where whatever niche they have had made them appealing to some, who specialised in utilizing those niches; where other ships simply overtook most of those niches either directly, or indirectly [didn't take over role, but made the role itself less appealing), prior to that, the appeal in the Sacrilege lay in it's generous capacitor, room for fitting, midslots for an armor-tanker (with the resistance-profile and bonuses) cap-less weapons and drone-utility.

It made a decent active-tanked rush-brawler which lent itself well to dual-propping with an MWD-rush and AB-orbit with either a breaking neut or supporting nos (granted, neut is generally more appealing); similar to how some Frigates operate.

It also made a decent alternative in smaller AHAC-gangs as a support-HAC next to whatever was the mainline choice. For example: if you based around Deimos you'd weigh it's drones and neut against a Zealot's anti-support accuracy with Lasers. If you based it around Zealots you'd weigh that neut and drones against similar utility on the Gallente platforms. Most of the time it's value in relation to the other support provided would be limited, but not unheard of. In every regard it would be better than the options the old AC-Muninns provided. The bonuses never allowed for any other missile setup than HAM, which with the necessity to fit a med neut to fullfill it's role and appeal in the face of other HAC, made the fitting tight in total. Not impossible though.

You can weigh it's role similar to Amarr Recons in recon gangs or Neuting Legions in Tech III gangs (not including heavier drop-gangs, where full neut Legions specialize further and mimic Bhaals). The improved breaking-power overall is the appeal, while the ability to meet the basic averages in tank, damage and other support uphold it's potential place in gang.

These days of course, it's difficult motivating the use of any HAC in any situation; with both Tech I Cruisers, Tech III, Tier 2- and Tier 3 BC usurping most HAC-roles (along with CS-roles).
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#7 - 2012-12-08 16:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
Calliste Orange wrote:
Hello.

I've had Amarr Cruiser V in the bag for a long while, so why not pick up a cheap HAC skillbook and a Sacrilege to see what this thing can do as an active tanker with a standard HAM fit, for PvP?

Not looking to be with any fleet-chums with it because I'm so shy --rather to see what can be done with it solo, if anything. And I simply have no idea, as it stands now, what can be done with it.

It's a nice 3D model, has the Khanid aesthetics and nice resists, but didn't expect it to be so cap-hungry, even with good cap skills.

Perhaps CCP will give HACs a good look at someday (soon-ish?), but ultimately my character parked it 'for later' and dropped back into the ever-trusty Pilgrim -a known quantity at least.

So, what do you reckon, good people? Be interested to hear some views from those who use this thing productively.


Perma-Tank Gas-Harvester for L4 Miner Missions - what else, sheeesh must I point out everything to you?!?!

[Gasoilege, The Uber Fit]
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Acolyte II x3

I guess you can also use it as a HAM II ship but that sounds kind of silly to me.

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Navy/800s
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Javelin/Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Javelin/Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Javelin/Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Javelin/Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Javelin/Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Small Nosferatu/Neuralizer II [optional]

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Acolyte II x3 [Or whatever flavor of drone you like, ECM was good, interestingly TPs are kind of interesting, all up to you].

50-100x Nano Repair Paste
800 Cap boosters
Missile reloads

It's basically a bigger version of a similar Vengence Fit called "hits like a girl but lasts like an ex-wife, or something like that), it's big on tank, and you can use the neut/nos as you like it's not a major bit it just adds a tad one way of the other.
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
#8 - 2012-12-08 17:26:16 UTC
You field triple-reps and tank 2,5k dps with drugs/booster alt. However you will be hard pressed to do anything with that because your dps somewhat close to a shitfit destroyer.
Alec Stacer
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#9 - 2012-12-08 17:57:45 UTC
guy in my old corp used one for missions, its kinetic/therm reisitances were like 98%, he took practically no damage from the 40ish rats hitting him,


And we were flying around in rifters killing frigates.
Joneleth Rein
#10 - 2012-12-09 04:56:48 UTC
The rest of the replies make me sad :(

Actually I'm aiming to fly the Sacrilege as well and was looking for tips. As far as I can see it's only useful as a support HAC like Noisrevbus said. Excellent in fact for small gangs , as a heavy tackler where you don't have logi anyway, but it starts to lose actually utility as the numbers go up or more specialised ships step in to fill the role.

All arguments are void though, cause it's cool-ass ship that throws HAMs and has armor.

Spider Pig! Spider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig.

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2012-12-09 05:15:16 UTC
Seriously, the only reason to fly the sac is because its cool as ****

And that really should be all the reason you need.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish