EVE General Discussion

No, we realise that. What you're not getting is that there is a difference in interaction and mechanics.

The bounty system is there because there needs to be some kind of bridge over the vast yawning chasm of mistrust that (rightfully) exists in EVE. Yes, I could give you 50M ISK to go off some guy, but what are my guarantees? How do I verify it? How do you verify it? How do we agree on the value of the kill? etc. etc. etc.

The bounty mechanics simply patch that gap: the system ensures that I pay the money I claim I want to pay; the system ensures that you get the money you're owed; the system ensures that you don't get it until you've actually earned it. It ensures that any bounty hunting can be done at all in this environment of mistrust.

What we're talking about here is something completely different. This is a convenience service where the gap is minimal and where the verification is dead simple (largely due to the cornerstone laid down by the bounty mechanics). I just have to trust that if I give your anonymising service the money, you will indeed use that money on a bounty (minus commission, of course) and I can immediately use the bounty UI to verify that this has happened. Thus, the foundation of mechanical assurance for all parties involved open up for a player-run service industry where the assurances need not be that great because there are fewer things that can go wrong (legitimately or through scams).

There is absolutely no need for the bounty system to provide anonymisation — we can do that on our own. There is a need for the bounty system to ensure that the right amounts of cash are handed over at the right instances for the right reason, because there's pretty much no way we can ensure that ourselves.

Well, because purposely taking alts into account for any game mechanic is just plain stupid?

Using alts as a means of going incognito or be used as a direct aid (multi-accounts) should be discouraged, not encouraged.

If you cannot figure out why then it is indeed a sad state for EVE in this regard.

The whole system is based off of trust when it comes to this issue. The service you would be paying for is animosity yet how are you sure that the information isn't leaked the the attacker aka the service you paid for. You have no way to verify that your identity is kept safe. In a similar way you explained the bounty system. In a game where trust is almost non existent relaying on a system like this that is based off of trust is doomed too fail.

The debate on whether or not being anonymous is needed is a valid one. However personally I see the whole bounty system going back to be unused due to lack of people using it out of fear of retaliation for placing bounties. Especially with the ease in which information is given and the uncertainty of trust when it comes to a 3rd party.

I'm not against creating tools that allow for player generated content, I just don't see this as being one that will last. We will see.

Really, you are scared that people will know you put a bounty on them? Lol. Besides which, you think it matters? The level of stupidity regularly displayed on GD is so high that David Icke would feel at home here.

New bounty system sucks and doesn't work, if everyone is wanted then no one is wanted, it goers against the whole retribution theme, come on CCP this needs fixing ASAP








in ya forums using reverse psych to get more bounties
haha, made you bounty


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Post edited for breaching above rule - ISD Type40.

Discreet Bounties will happily place anonymous bounties on any individual (over 30 days old).

…and that's such a minute issue that requires very little in the way of triggers and verifications that it's something that we can build ourselves. The core bounty process is not.

The ease of making bounties anonymous pretty much ensures that this won't happen.

Way to go virtually insulting anyone who doesn't have multiple accounts/characters. Or play with only one account/character for principal reasons.

And I never complained about the bounty system in general, just remarking at the rather odd "anonymous versus announced" culture.

In fact, I am starting to find the whole multi-account mentality to get rather toxic in general.

Yup. It's dying so much that, yesterday, on a Friday (consistently the day in the week with the fewest players logging in), we had just under 45k peak users. Over the last six months, only Sundays (consistently the day in the week with the most number of players logged in) have seen more than that.

No sorry that is a failed argument based on flawed assumptions. But why should i expect any better from tyrannical ISD that closes all threads that threaten current status quo of in-game balance of power.

It is called alts , i can put any bounty from alt such as this and there are no consequences.