EVE General Discussion

Why would that make null empty? Surely if it's all peaceful and safe, it should be hunning with activity?

Yeah that would be wonderful, you reward people for doing nothing.

Isnt that already the problem?

I see that Test has added another 1% growth this week, up to 10.500 members.
Goons are a paltry 8600 members.
Yeah, null sec alliances are just fading away right now.

What this would do is force null sec players to actively explore all of null sec on an ongoing basis.
And heavily industrialized zones are inherently more safe.

The U.S does not build its carriers and subs in Alaska. They build them in areas where it is safe.
You want to heavily industrialize / populate an area? No problem. Just expect that area to experience lower crime rates (less valuable rats), and lower availability of resources (less valuable ore and moon goo).

And just like asteroid belts, moons/ rings would naturally dissipate as the sec status went up.
Alliances that need moon goo to support themselves would have to actively explore for more of those precious resources.

Just like nations do today.

I am not saying that there is a finite amount of resources in the game.
I AM saying that as one supply of moon goo shrinks in a heavily industrialized space, another supply increases in some unknown, undeveloped area of low/null.

I don't go to null b/c all the gates are camped to get into it. And plus I consider NULL space for the belligerent undesirable of eve.
Why leave Hi sec? Its got PVP, ISK, MISSIONS, MINING. All these you can have with out some ass hat looking to KM whore.

In short, some alliances got mega rich with moon goo, which proved to be much more profitable and requiring less work then mining or ratting. With these riches they could easily set up ship replacement programs and drive out the smaller alliances in less profitable space who still relied mostly on mining or ratting.

Over the years living in null turned into being a mindless drone for these mega-alliances or at least sell yourself and your free time into a semi-slaved status, which in turn made living in null unacceptable for everyone whose brain was not completely rotten.

Yes and I have also seen how proud you are to the fact that your members act like junior-school-bullies to everyone else. Does it really surprise you that people don't even want to play with your type?

About success lets see it one example

Alliance A: Has secured early a region with lots of moon goo, could afford a few hundred supercapitals and is practically immune to damage.

Alliance B: Lives in a NPC region with lots of PvP activity and a few very good players but certainly not as rich as A

Alliance C: Lives in the more shallow Null regions without access to high end moon materials. Their playerbase has a smaller number PvPers and the majority of their players are people who mine and rat and only go PvP for fun once or twice a week.

What will happen is: B will declare C as weak carebears and start roaming gangs on a daily basis, place cloaked ships into their mining and ratting systems try anything to bring their activity to a halt. They are also less likely to attack A, since they are independent from mining and ratting as primary ISK-sources.

Then A with the constant pressure from within to keep their players entertained and find targets for their supercapitals will join the fight against C. From their point of view B has very few sovereignity structures which make them uninteresting for their capital fleet. C has some outposts, more POS and it is known that it can put up only limited resistance.

The final result: A and B are steamrolling C, some forum drama, even more threads of members of A and B how awesome they are. The space of C is taken by A and B. For the reasons mentions above both have very little interest to use that space and the members of C have scattered to the winds.

After a few month with fewer and fewer targets within their reach B also splits. Some of their players joining A others going into lowsec or different null regions.

End result: A has all the space it does not use or really want. B and C are gone. Repeat these things a few times all over null and you know why entire regions with lots of outposts have become empty wastelands.

nullsec: full of people who care about the future of the game

Wat.

First off, no one ever wants to shoot structures. People in nullsec alliances generally want good fights, or gudfites as we call them. Alliance B and Alliance A would be constantly shooting at each other, because ratters and miners don't put up fun fights. For example, take a look at how much interest those alliances you consider to fall into category A show in category C space (places like Providence or the Drone Regions).

Alliances that fall into category B don't die, they are eternal harassment groups. Take a look at Pizza, as terrible as they are. They have fun shooting at groups that fall into Alliance A's category, do it exclusively, in dirt cheap ships, with no infrastructure to speak of. You can't kill that sort of alliance, they just do their thing and poke at the weaker elements of the group.

In reality, you have the big category A alliances brawling with each other, while smaller groups form up between battles to go have fun shooting at category B alliances, who are constantly doing the same to the category As, while the category Cs just sit around in their crappy space and occasionally have to deal with bored lowsec pilots who like easy kills.

In my entire time in nullsec, I don't think a single day has passed where I was logged on for longer than an hour and a hostile gang didn't roam through. The people complaining about how empty null is are people who went in once, for about 2 hours, roaming through systems no one uses for good reason, and then coming to a conclusion. Feel free to read the statistics I posted earlier regarding PvP numbers in Null vs Low vs High.

Bam, and none of the hundreds of carebear traders will visit Jita anymore, causing Jita to become a wasteland. I can't believe a Goon would make such a suggestion. You want carebears to go there so you know where you can find them and kill them, don't you?


And isn't "Survival of the ones best adapted" the exact same as "Survival of the fittest"?