EVE General Discussion

Do you mean there that WiS should have been the point at which CCP stopped further development on Eve? I honestly can't tell if that is what you're saying.


Trying to produce three games at one from one income source is a bad idea if your company is so dysfunctional that 2 years of development time goes into a new feature and Captain's Quarters is what pops out the other side.

Indeed. I'd pay for ability to open the damn door, look out of station window onto planet and departing ships. Also for some alien pets, plants, pet plants, and - of course! - few exotic dancers in CQ.

Just it should be single retail package for sane price instead of set of separate $70 items.

If I was CCP I think I'd start asking myself if someone else could develop a game like EVE with avatars before I could develop the avatar part.


I honestly think the biggest threat to the expansion of EVE itself, is another studio coming along and making a game just like it, but with the WiS part included.

Very good point.

That slipped my mind.

Kickstarter is a great idea. The more I think about it, the more I like it. There would be ZERO arguments about "EVE players don't want WiS" when EVE players raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for WiS. It'll be very obvious and clear-cut.

As for another game doing what EVE does? I think risk is minimal/nonexistent. For one, the sci-fi genre is notoriously underpopulated, compared to fantasy, especially in MMOs. Second, even upcoming games (like Star Citizen) focus on better combat first, and avatars a distant second. And thirdly, EVE had 10 years to build up some features, so it will still look impressive.

In other words, I think EVE is too old to worry about competition now. Though I do believe that if EVE had serious competition during its life cycle (if Jumpgate, Black Prophecy, etc., weren't total jokes), we would have seen some improvements as the games would borrow successful elements from each other like so many other MMOs do.

This thread has given me quite a bit of hope. In fact, I just re-upped my account after a year of inactivity to express my interest in WiS/Incarna, and that the chance of eventually having Avatar-based gameplay is the future.

Let me point out I'm not a carebear - I'm just a realist. My meagre 8 million SPs don't stand a chance against the 200 million SP juggernauts that fly in the vast dark, so I've been forced to find other ways to enjoy the remarkable environment of EVE. Dance emotes and fashion shows have absolutely NO place in the incredible setting of EVE... but compelling, relevant, Avatar-based gameplay is a neccessity if EVE is to keep ahead of the competition.

Games have always evolved by adding that 'plus factor' that gets the gamer's attention. From my first Pong console in the early '70s, through the Commodore and the Atari, into PCs and PS3s and XBoxes, games have continued to expand in scope from a single paddle bouncing a ball into the wonderous EVE Universe we have today.

But unless EVE grows in scope, competition will eventually come and add that extra 'holy grail' factor no other sci-fi game has done to date by successfully integrating human and ship avatars into a single game. I would prefer CCP be the guys that did it first. We all want EVE to remain the coolest game online.

PLEASE keep the possibility of relevant, engaging, compelling Avatar-based gameplay alive.

WIS will come, question is only when... my guss would be after WoD Online.

Why it needs to come? Cause you can only do as much with spaceships alone... WIS is the logical, next step for a fully fledged scifie simulation.

I actually like WiS, even if it's limited to the CQ at the moment... It has a lot of potential. If they're gonna expand on it, that'd be awesome. And another reason for me to stay out of Jita. I don't want 2000 lunatics running around in-station, trying to kill me like some average FPS-players. The hundreds of pirates on the Jita 4-4 undock is already hard enough to escape.

Kickstart Walk in Stations/Incarna and we'll get it this summer.