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Highsec "Carebear" representation from the CSM?

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Frying Doom
#101 - 2012-12-07 23:09:18 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
IIshira wrote:

Yes I know Eve is a mostly PVP game so please don't attempt to troll or derail the thread with comments about we need to remove highsec etc.... I do both PVE and PVP (on separate pilots) and enjoy both aspects of Eve.

I'm just asking if any of the CSM represent the small highsec PVE corps rather than big nullsec alliances like Goons etc.

person who received the most votes of the current CSM is part of a 295-man non 0.0 alliance
there are no goons on the current CSM

hth

Way to dodge the question.

You might want to state what that person represents

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#102 - 2012-12-07 23:14:29 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Way to dodge the question.

You might want to state what that person represents

competence

incidentally, what do you think of issler's job so far

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Hate 101
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-12-07 23:16:09 UTC
well unsub for like 6 months then it get fixed pvp players talk a big game with out the pve players is no game
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#104 - 2012-12-07 23:20:07 UTC
Hate 101 wrote:
well unsub for like 6 months then it get fixed pvp players talk a big game with out the pve players is no game

you serfs will always be around, if there are less of you we'll simply whip you harder

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#105 - 2012-12-07 23:22:22 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Now I know the problem you are actually that delusional.
You're confusing me with you again. You are the one who keeps making stuff up and having your inventions smashed by facts. I'm the one providing the facts.

Quote:
Can you then explain why Null was not higher on the graph of what people like to do according to the survey if 66% of people are actually Null residences?
Why would it be higher? 73% of the respondents like 0.0 gameplay. That's more than the guestimated 66% non-highseccers, suggesting that 1) the estimate is indeed conservative; 2) even the highseccers enjoy the gameplay 0.0 provides; and 3) that you don't have to live in a part of space to be able to have fun with (and in) it.
Frying Doom
#106 - 2012-12-07 23:22:22 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Way to dodge the question.

You might want to state what that person represents

competence

incidentally, what do you think of issler's job so far

Actually besides FW, I think miners have had a good run this year.

At least I have not heard her go for the spot light and then just join the Null sec lobby group.

So all in all very pleased actually.

She hasn't told players that they are doing it wrong and and that their way of life needs to be destroyed.
She did not push other members out of her way to hog a mic.

So all in all good.

Oh and she did not state a document had unanimous CSM support, which later turned out to mean that the other CSMs just did not actively go rouge about the idea.

But you will all get to read all about my views on CSM 7 coming up to the CSM 8 elections.

Hint: We need some fresh people.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#107 - 2012-12-07 23:24:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Now I know the problem you are actually that delusional.
You're confusing me with you again. You are the one who keeps making stuff up and having your inventions smashed by facts. I'm the one providing the facts.

Quote:
Can you then explain why Null was not higher on the graph of what people like to do according to the survey if 66% of people are actually Null residences?
Why would it be higher? 73% of the respondents like 0.0 gameplay. That's more than the guestimated 66% non-highseccers, suggesting that 1) the estimate is indeed conservative; 2) even the highseccers enjoy the gameplay 0.0 provides; and 3) that you don't have to live in a part of space to be able to have fun with (and in) it.

As I said delusional.

Maybe you can explain it based on figures of what people actually do rather than what a subset actually like to do?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Hate 101
Doomheim
#108 - 2012-12-07 23:26:08 UTC
in the end ( money ) is what counts not forum posts just saying if it means that much to you what ever it is and thats any mmo if you don't like somthing you don't have to pay for it no one is holding a gun to your head and making you pay and play
is all i am saying eve is what eve is old game no point in fixing it changing it nerfing it buffing it let it be as it is

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#109 - 2012-12-07 23:26:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Frying Doom wrote:
As I said delusional.
Indeed you are.

Quote:
Maybe you can explain it based on figures of what people actually do rather than what a subset actually like to do?
The good doctor has already provided that explanation, if you care to actually watch the presentation.

By the way, moving the goalposts is another fallacy you really need to stop using.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#110 - 2012-12-07 23:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Titas Agor wrote:
There are plenty, PLENTY of ways to make high sec PVE a lot less suckage, but its difficult to convince people if no one actually wants it, and just cares about the pew pew side of things rather then having actual real PVE gameplay that adds a lot of diversity to high sec PVE.. For example, instead of having wormholes acting like pockets of 0.0 space, having gone through all the toruble of scanning a WH down, making it so when you jump through, its actually you of your fleets own personal instance, with a time on it to do whatever you want in the time allowed in the new crimewatch timer display, which would be to mine, rat npcs, doing the sleeper complex's, whatever you want, and if your still inside the WH when the timer runs out, it collapse on all of you, so you all die and pod killed, like a black hole if you will, so there is plenty of risk vs reward, and obviously the more you have in the fleet, the more assets you'd be able to bring back with you, but the PVP players would be in an absolute uproar about this because they wouldn't be able to shoot ppl in them anymore... you wouldn't be able to milk the resources in the WH forever with a POS.. but that is just one example of how you could make more PVE meaningfull to players that actually dont like PvP or venture out to low sec or 0.0..

No.

Even though I'm a carebear and highsec dweller atm, things like this would actually make me consider unsubbing.

Remove standings and insurance.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2012-12-07 23:56:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Weaselior wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Way to dodge the question.

You might want to state what that person represents

competence

incidentally, what do you think of issler's job so far

Issler agrees with ridding eve of the cancer of NPC corps so she has my unwavering support and does a good job of representing what highsec PVE needs
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#112 - 2012-12-07 23:58:50 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Hate 101 wrote:
well unsub for like 6 months then it get fixed pvp players talk a big game with out the pve players is no game

you serfs will always be around, if there are less of you we'll simply whip you harder

Tell me more about your ~motivational~ techniques.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#113 - 2012-12-08 00:08:09 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Imports Plus wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…and to this day, I've never felt that I've gotten a good answer to the question of what supposed highsec issues are missing on the agenda due to the current (or indeed any other) representation.


I've never seen it articulated either. I believe it would go something like this:

1. More isk per hour for all PVE activities across the board.
2. Salvage drones (oops already got that)
3. Total protection be it from CONCORD or some other mechanism, inability to be interacted with by any other player without consent.
4. Larger cargoholds so that mining requires less attention (oops already got that)
5. Make rarer commodities from WH or 0.0 space easier to obtain or even be manufactured in high sec.
6. Sever any ties to or make irrelevant WH space or 0.0 to any high sec manufacturer.
7. Nerf bumping or remove the mechanic entirely- this could go hand-in-hand with point 3: inability to be interacted with by any other player without consent.
8. Make suicide ganking nigh impossible.
9. Make freighters impregnable.
10. Make it easier and faster to autopilot from one market hub to another.

Does that cover it? Smile


No... The game needs "go and pick up that loot for me" drones as well.

Oh and BTW OP... This is all your fault. :P I hope you are proud of the monster you have created.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#114 - 2012-12-08 02:34:48 UTC
The thing nullbears and their ilk always love to forget is that they weren't born in null. Everyone starts off in hisec. Maybe they got luck and had someone take them under their wing early, but most didn't. Hisec needs it's own voice.

Sadly it will never happen, however. Hisec people tend to be more independent. We're loathe to get involved in alliance drama and couldn't care less about the voting blocks that sov rules create. But null is all about glopping people into a nice, neat feudal system and all the serfs are expected to vote their little alliance reps into CSM positions. This is why CSM is dominated by nullbears, and each has their own little alliance agenda sitting in their back pocket. Anyone trying to rep hisec and get the hisec vote is basically trying to herd cats.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-12-08 03:16:05 UTC

Okay so back on topic the answer is no.

Though the entire history of the CSM there was one but she was crazy or something and is no longer in the CSM.

And now I see why there has been no improvements to highsec. There's a ton of players in highsec but none are organized like the big nullsec alliances.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#116 - 2012-12-08 03:27:26 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Anyone trying to rep hisec and get the hisec vote is basically trying to herd cats.

Heh, funny, our FCs herd cats a lot...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#117 - 2012-12-08 03:40:26 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
IIshira wrote:

Okay so back on topic the answer is no.

Though the entire history of the CSM there was one but she was crazy or something and is no longer in the CSM.

And now I see why there has been no improvements to highsec. There's a ton of players in highsec but none are organized like the big nullsec alliances.



Thats actually one of the main points here.

Ankhesentapemkah was a carebear rep and was voted in. As I mentioned above, she had the second highest vote count of any other candidate.

Votes Character Name Real Name Country
4,116 Mynxee Carole Pivarnik United States

3,360 Ankhesentapemkah Eva Jobse Netherlands

2,521 Dierdra Vaal Valentijn Geirnaert Netherlands
2,196 Korvin Andrey Antonov Russia
1,649 Vuk Lau Vuk Lau Serbia
1,553 TeaDaze Jason Renouf Guernsey
1,519 Meissa Anunthiel Stephan Pirson Belgium
1,463 Trebor Daehdoow Robert Woodhead United States
1,260 Sokratesz Tim Heusschen Netherlands

Also as mentioned above, she was crazy. But that doesn't prevent anybody else from going out in an attempt to secure votes as the carebear rep of the CSM. However, nobody has done this, and instead we just hear cries of the CSM elections being rigged since there is no way for a carebear to ever be elected.

Threads like this pop up all the time, and the end result is more of the same complaining. Perhaps the people crying should actually do something about it and either run for CSM or actively back another candidate that fits the bill.

Ankhesentapemkah actually flew around empire, visiting the popular PVE mission systems as well as the trade and industry hubs. She promoted herself actively, sending out god knows how many thousands of Evemails in total to the players that were in those systems. Usually it was messages informing them of her stance, and explaining what the CSM does. (believe it or not, many empire dwellers have never even heard of the council of stellar management.)

Essentially she was able to secure the confidence of players that at any other time wouldn't even have bothered to vote, let alone care who was elected in the first place.

So, either find your carebear rep amongst those already voted in, or DO SOMETHING about it by running for CSM yourself. Complaining about it and sitting on the sidelines won't help your cause in the slightest.

I must ask however that any future carebear candidates please leave their spoons at home.
Brandon Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2012-12-08 03:57:46 UTC
I've only been playing this game for 2 months and even I can see and understand that catering to carebears would be the death of this game. Why turn half of it into a singleplayer isk grindfest?
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#119 - 2012-12-08 04:14:50 UTC
One last thing.

To give you an idea of Ank's true level of carebearism, I'll include a few of her EvE-O forum quotes below. Even after all of this, she still won a seat on the CSM.

Ankhesentapemkah wrote:

The only whiners are you criminals, who stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that law enforcement isn't *****ing down hard enough on you, and that it is a logical, realistic and proportional response when Concord and the insurance companies take drastic steps to stop you parasiting scum.


Ankhesentapemkah wrote:

If there are people that need to be treated, it are those griefers, that should be locked away and rehabilitated into friendly productive members of society, instead of running around griefing people left and right because it makes their twisted minds feel aroused.


Ankhesentapemkah wrote:

Of course, but how could someone else's suffering be fun? I'd say that people that enjoy that should be locked away in a mental institution for starters...


Ankhesentapemkah wrote:

I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing). Well it's nice that all these other players are there so I can buy stuff I don't feel like grinding myself, and sell all my trash to which I don't need.


Ankhesentapemkah wrote:

I just feel disappointed that the killer is capable of doing such a thing. I'll never understand that. Surely people have some kind of concience, and some empathy and compassion towards other people? Maybe they just forget that there's a real person behind those ships. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're ruthless psychopatich sadists.
Harland White
Adventurer's Guild
#120 - 2012-12-08 04:41:34 UTC
The CSM is composed 100% of nullsec zealots, griefers and pirates. Any/all ideas proposed by CSM generally are anti-highsec. Highseccers are kinda ****ed.

But it's not a problem to me. If I'm eventually forced to a different style of gameplay in order to earn my PLEX/isk each month, there's a nice big juicy "unsubscribe" button waiting for me. And I'll keep my stuff in case CCP has a change of heart about their current goals regarding nerfing highsec.

By their fruit you will recognize them.