EVE General Discussion

So do I have this right? If you remote rep someone who PODed someone else in Low Sec 14 minutes earlier, that someone else gets kill rights on you?

You can be driving home from work when your friend PODs someone in EVE, and if you log in and Remote Rep, or Remote Sensor Boost your friend before his 15 minute Criminal timer runs out, that dude that was killed while you were driving home now has kill rights on you?

Do I have that right?

If I remote rep someone you can track this well enough to give their victims kill rights on me, but you can’t track it well enough to put me on the Bloody Kill Mail?

For reference:
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63443/1/logo2_actions2flags.png

To be clear, I think that if you Rep someone after the first aggression and before their victim dies, then their victim should get kill rights on you.

I also think that if you Rep someone after the first aggression and before their victim dies, then you should be on the victim’s Kill Mail.

Repping a criminal after the victim dies may be a criminal act worthy of a Sec Status hit, but it in no way contributed to the victim’s death and should not warrant kill rights.

(Note that I am talking about Criminal flagging, so this would refer to POD kills in Low Sec.)

That is not how is works now though. I want clarification on how it works now.

I don’t think there are warnings anymore, but that brings up a good point. I had not considered this. I suppose that unless you turned safeties off you would not be able to rep someone who is criminally flagged. I can just imagine the first time that happens:

Pirate: “I need Reps!”
Pirate logistics: “I am trying! It is not working. Why is it not working?”

I suppose that is probably the solution. Set safeties to Yellow, and tell my fleet that Criminals will not get reps. This is not going to make me very popular in my Low Sec pirate Alliance.

Previously a logi in a lo sec pirate alliance would quickly become outlaw and KOS to everyone anyway so i don't think its as big a deal as you imply.

I was planning on trying to keep my standing above -5. It seems like a real inconvenience not being able to go to the trade hubs.

Maybe I should try to find a NPC Null sec PVP Corp. I never had any such issues when I lived in Syndicate.

While I read this you made an impression to me as follows:

Like when somebody is currently shooting somebody in the streets of XY (Rome, Paris, New York), then you should only be flagged, if you are with him while the shooting happens.
When the guy did his murder and is on the run, you should be able to help a murder and dont get punished?

The mechanic was simplified. If you aid someone with a criminal flag, you get the same flag.

If you dont want to get flagged as well, dont help this person while the person is flagged.

You are confused what kill rights are I think.

You get a Flag of the appropriate type, but I'm almost positive that in that situation, you will not get kill rights.

Yeah the dev blog says "when you take an action against the player that causes a criminal flag" and in the case of logi you are taking no action against the player so i would guess no killrights.

Turned off that pesky green button didn't you.....


However I have to agree to a point.
You should not get a suspect flag for repping , boosting or otherwise assisting someone when they aren't doing anything. If they are in an engagement, yes, but 10 minutes later, no. That is just dumb CCP.

Making an npc corp bestower alt takes like about an hour - I thought almost everyone has one. It's a bit inconvinient ofc but at least in null sec alliances/corps most seem to have one bcos of the more or less constant wardecs. In addtion to regular supply runs with NPC corp freighters at alliance and corp levels.

You could also ask around in that priate corp, I'm sure there is someone doing the reasonably regular supply runs with JF from the local trade hub with an alt.