EVE General Discussion

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I was on coms last night when a member of my Alliance lost a fully loaded Freighter in High Sec. Apparently he had not read the Patch Notes and there where many tears when Concord failed to show up to help him. It seams someone had sold kill rights on him and Vengeance Inc had come to collet on his bounty.

This is an interesting development. I had not considered the affect this would have on PVPers who live outside of High Sec. In the past, what happened in Null stayed in Null, and did not effect your Sec status, so Null Sec PVPers could safely roam free in High Sec on their occasional shopping excursions. Now that Kill Rights can be made public, anyone can kill you any time, anywhere.

High Sec Hauling:
This should prove to be a boon to Carebears in the hauling industry. Since PVPers can no longer safely fly Freighters around High Sec, there should be a lot of work for those who can.

Low Sec Trade Hub:
This is a great opportunity for Industrial Alliances to setup Low Sec Trading Hubs that PVPers can access using Jump Freighters. If you can manage to achieve a full inventory (hull everything from Jita to start with if you have to) and you advertize extensively, then PVPers who don’t like paying Carebears for hulling or running an extra account just for shopping, will come to you to load their Jump Freighters with all the supplies they need on the frontier. Once your station is known as the Jita of Low Sec, then you will have a market where you can sell anything, and at a price a bit higher than what you would get in Jita. This might require a Coalition of Industrial Alliances, but it would likely be worth it.

Bounty Hunting:
Well this is obvious, so I won’t go on about it, but I have to say I am tempted to go flying around High Sec looking for people with public kill rights.

What other changes to the social and economic fabric of New Eden do you guys think will result from this change in the Kill Rights mechanic?

No. Performing an act against another player that nets you a "Criminal" flag give that other player a killright on you. Nothing you do in null provokes C-flags.

Nothing in nullsec generates kill rights.

Sounds like the OP's friend was a fool anyway. Flying a freighter with killrights on you is nearly as dumb as doing it under a wardec.

1. Nullsec doesn't generate kill rights.
2. You are notified when your kill rights are offered to others, so you are warned.
3. Please don't mix kill rights with bounty.

RL is not an excuse for not reading the patch notes Sir! (just kidding)

One of the dev blogs had a very nicely done chart in it that explained all the consequences to certain actions in various security levels of space. I'd start there.

Wait, does that mean that Remote Repping someone 14 minutes after they killed a POD in Low Sec gives the PODed pilot kill rights against me? The act of repping a pilot with a Criminal Flag would flag me as a Criminal and give me the Sec hit of a Criminal. Are you saying it also gives the guy who died 14 minutes earlier, possibly in another system, kill rights on me?

That sucks. Logistics pilots get all the punishments and none of the glory. We don’t even show up on killmails for repping.

Well people did say they wanted a less safe highsec. *shrugs*

So he can handle dishing it out, but can't hack it when he cops it back?

Sounds legit. He definitely made the right move by quitting.

Ask him if I can have his stuff, please.

Again, the kill right is tied to the criminal flag: if you do something that gives you a criminal flag, someone probably got a kill-right on you as a result as well.

Exactly what triggers c-flags depends on which part of space you're in. In highsec, any unlawful attack does; in lowsec, unlawful attacks on pods do; in nullsec, nothing does. Refer to this devblog and the two charts half-way down that page to see what does what where. Note in particular how nullsec only ever gives you weapons, PvP, and NPC flags.