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Few weeks after Retribution.

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Borascus
#81 - 2012-12-06 23:40:35 UTC
The most audacious part of the bounty system is the notification mail when someone you have placed a bounty on gets popped.


I've got 3 notifications, all the same person.
Pyre leFay
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-12-06 23:48:07 UTC
Borascus wrote:
The most audacious part of the bounty system is the notification mail when someone you have placed a bounty on gets popped.


I've got 3 notifications, all the same person.

Funny when I put 100,000 on a rookie before the GM hubbub about that stuff.
The guy purposely got himself killed about 20 times and I got mails about each payout ranging from 2isk to 100isk
I have no idea if I will ever stop getting notifications.
Herr Hammer Draken
#83 - 2012-12-06 23:49:55 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Shayden wrote:


CCP Punkturis wrote:

I believe (I have faith!) that people will mostly be putting bounties on people that annoy them, not just random people in local..


Too late :)



I witnessed this today:

people slapping 100.000 ISK on random people for lulz (the system is 2 days old, I'm just happy people are trying it out v0v) but then someone was being super annoying and he got 70.000.000 ISK bounty in just a few minutes

I'd say that's pretty much how I said things would work out

I'm excited to see how the system evolves over the next few weeks. I've been have so much fun watching the most wanted and top bounty hunters lists since Tuesday Big smile


Hey can you add different bounty wanted posters. Maybe like a 3 tier style. A small one for under 10 mil and medium size one for 10 mil- 300 mil or so. and a big poster for 300 mil +

Just sort of a bit more splash to the whole wanted thing and a bit easier on the guy looking for most wanted types.

Maybe even a top ten count listed right on the wanted splash sign itself. I am thinking a number one wanted sign and number two etc. So when you see the guy and look at his wanted poster you know right off the bat who is in the top ten.

Kinda add a bit more immersion into the whole bounty thing.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"

CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#84 - 2012-12-06 23:52:04 UTC
Singulis Pacifica wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


I witnessed this today:

but then someone was being super annoying and he got 70.000.000 ISK bounty in just a few minutes
I'd say that's pretty much how I said things would work out


Absolutely, and for that the bounty hunter system definitely serves its purpose. But the current system also fails horribly because of this:

CCP Punkturis wrote:

people slapping 100.000 ISK on random people for lulz (the system is 2 days old, I'm just happy people are trying it out v0v)


I understand you are happy people to try it out, but

A: That's what Buckingham is for.
B: The bounties of 100k ISK are, like any bounty indefinite until the player loses his ship which is valued enough to have the bounty paid out in full.

One of the things we players put forth in the dev blog was timers on bounties to make sure they do actually mean something. And if useless bounties are being put left and right on people for the lolz (most likely to see the response), then the person that received it knows it will be gone in a month or so anyway. This was all you needed to do to make the system work. Yet you decided to wait and see what happens clearly ignoring the warnings of players and now you see for yourself that people are clearly not using it the way you predicted. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.


"Yet you decided to wait and see what happens clearly ignoring the warnings of players and now you see for yourself that people are clearly not using it the way you predicted. "

and what has happened? people have bounties.. and what? are hisec people being ganked because of it?

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis

Frogsnail Toast
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-12-06 23:52:09 UTC
Yeah bounties do seem to be on their way to meaninglessness. Needs a higher minimum bounty. Needs to expire after some time, 3 months, 1 year, something like that. Maybe even needed to require that the target player committed a criminal act to be open to having a bounty placed on him or his corp/alliance.
galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-12-06 23:53:10 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Bounty won't make you a legit target in high sec




This . . . .it seems to be hard for some people to get Sad
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#87 - 2012-12-06 23:56:08 UTC
Ana Fox wrote:


Quote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


I believe (I have faith!) that people will mostly be putting bounties on people that annoy them, not just random people in local..


This is sorry to say plain stupid statement after knowing EVE player base for so many years.There is reason why other MMO player bases calling us psychopaths ,and we like that way.

News flash for CCP Punkturis all people annoy us we are even placing bounties on ourselves .


if you would have quoted what I said above then maybe my statement wasn't that stupid because it's turned out just the way I predicted:

CCP Punkturis wrote:
Shayden wrote:


CCP Punkturis wrote:

I believe (I have faith!) that people will mostly be putting bounties on people that annoy them, not just random people in local..


Too late :)



I witnessed this today:

people slapping 100.000 ISK on random people for lulz (the system is 2 days old, I'm just happy people are trying it out v0v) but then someone was being super annoying and he got 70.000.000 ISK bounty in just a few minutes

I'd say that's pretty much how I said things would work out

I'm excited to see how the system evolves over the next few weeks. I've been have so much fun watching the most wanted and top bounty hunters lists since Tuesday Big smile

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis

Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#88 - 2012-12-07 00:00:01 UTC
Frogsnail Toast wrote:
Yeah bounties do seem to be on their way to meaninglessness.

Someone's late to the party,

Bounties were utterly meaningless as you could quite easily collect them yourself through a friend or an alt. Now they are at worst a bit of trolling, and at best a good incentive to go out and shoot someone. Either way they add meaningful content to the game. I think it's actually quite a clever fix.

I also like the sheer terror it inspires in people to have a 100k bounty on their heads. Everyone in EVE should be afraid, especially the ones who don't know How Stuff Works Lol

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.

Borascus
#89 - 2012-12-07 00:04:27 UTC
Could anything else be expected from a Tibus Heth assassination attempt OTHER than all capsuleers carrying a bounty?
Frogsnail Toast
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-12-07 00:07:41 UTC
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
Frogsnail Toast wrote:
Yeah bounties do seem to be on their way to meaninglessness.

Someone's late to the party,

Bounties were utterly meaningless...


Yeah, bounties do seem to be on their way BACK to meaninglessness.

Fixed.
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#91 - 2012-12-07 00:16:56 UTC
Frogsnail Toast wrote:
Yeah, bounties do seem to be on their way BACK to meaninglessness.

Fixed.


Still wrong!

In the olden days, a big bounty just meant more ISK to the bountee (yup, I just invented a word - this is history in the making, folks). Now, small bounties are marginally meaningful as trolling (better than nothing), while serious bounties are meaningful in encouraging explosions. I take back what I said, it's not clever, it's inspired.

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.

Frogsnail Toast
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-12-07 00:33:45 UTC
All they have to do is make minimum bounty on players like 20 mil or something, and make bounties expire after 6 months. Once expired the ISK is removed from game rather than returned to the creator of the bounty. Makes it a little less silly and adds potential ISK sink.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#93 - 2012-12-07 00:41:42 UTC
I see no problem with tiny bounties on everyone.

A real life parallel would be everyone walking around has a 10 cent bounty... big deal.

The problem is that the system should automatically filter the very low bounties (filtering out everything below the mean bounty value would probably work, or maybe the average of the mean and median value... I'm sure CCPs math dudes could do it dynamically in a second), aka they don't show up as "wanted" and they don't show up on bounty boards, etc.

Don't know how I feel about bounty expiration. I think bounty attrition is much better. -500k isk per month or something to clear the balances on people with very low bounties while keeping massive bounties in effect for the long term.
None ofthe Above
#94 - 2012-12-07 01:06:50 UTC
mechtech wrote:
I see no problem with tiny bounties on everyone.

A real life parallel would be everyone walking around has a 10 cent bounty... big deal.

The problem is that the system should automatically filter the very low bounties (filtering out everything below the mean bounty value would probably work, or maybe the average of the mean and median value... I'm sure CCPs math dudes could do it dynamically in a second), aka they don't show up as "wanted" and they don't show up on bounty boards, etc.

Don't know how I feel about bounty expiration. I think bounty attrition is much better. -500k isk per month or something to clear the balances on people with very low bounties while keeping massive bounties in effect for the long term.


Maintenance fee per bounty would be interesting.

I and others were very much in favor of an expiration date.

Right now they hang around forever, as immortal as the capsuleers. Only way they ever disappear is allegedly having the player putting the account inactive for five months. Or the corp/alliance disbands if it was that type of bounty.

I am currently thinking 30 days. It needs to be long enough so most people won't just log out for the duration, but within a period that doesn't seem like too long off. No more than 90 I would think.

I don't buy CSM Aleks' argument (made elsewhere) that the expiration would sap faith in the system, in fact I would argue that a bounty that never was claimed would do more harm in that respect. People knowing it was my enemy's destruction or your iskies back (minus fees) would actually be a bigger selling point, IMHO.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#95 - 2012-12-07 01:11:08 UTC
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
Frogsnail Toast wrote:
Yeah, bounties do seem to be on their way BACK to meaninglessness.

Fixed.


Still wrong!

In the olden days, a big bounty just meant more ISK to the bountee (yup, I just invented a word - this is history in the making, folks). Now, small bounties are marginally meaningful as trolling (better than nothing), while serious bounties are meaningful in encouraging explosions. I take back what I said, it's not clever, it's inspired.


Yup. Inspired to leave the game, as Bounties and Sec Status Grinding is meaningless (only need -4.4 to operate in .5's so why bother further with any missions except if below that status.)

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#96 - 2012-12-07 01:12:04 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
mechtech wrote:
I see no problem with tiny bounties on everyone.

A real life parallel would be everyone walking around has a 10 cent bounty... big deal.

The problem is that the system should automatically filter the very low bounties (filtering out everything below the mean bounty value would probably work, or maybe the average of the mean and median value... I'm sure CCPs math dudes could do it dynamically in a second), aka they don't show up as "wanted" and they don't show up on bounty boards, etc.

Don't know how I feel about bounty expiration. I think bounty attrition is much better. -500k isk per month or something to clear the balances on people with very low bounties while keeping massive bounties in effect for the long term.


Maintenance fee per bounty would be interesting.

I and others were very much in favor of an expiration date.

Right now they hang around forever, as immortal as the capsuleers. Only way they ever disappear is allegedly having the player putting the account inactive for five months. Or the corp/alliance disbands if it was that type of bounty.

I am currently thinking 30 days. It needs to be long enough so most people won't just log out for the duration, but within a period that doesn't seem like too long off. No more than 90 I would think.

I don't buy CSM Aleks' argument (made elsewhere) that the expiration would sap faith in the system, in fact I would argue that a bounty that never was claimed would do more harm in that respect. People knowing it was my enemy's destruction or your iskies back (minus fees) would actually be a bigger selling point, IMHO.



These are all great ideas. I hope CCP is listening.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-12-07 01:41:00 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
and what has happened? people have bounties.. and what? are hisec people being ganked because of it?


Yes, as intended.

There are several threads about it around here. Great fun it seems.
Vale NPC
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-12-07 02:01:07 UTC
I just got a bounty on my main for helping in help chat. Whelp, I guess I'll never be talking in any chat channel but corp and never posting on the forums again.
Merouk Baas
#99 - 2012-12-07 02:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Merouk Baas
This is locking up a lot of ISK into bounties on people that will likely never get attacked. And, increasing the likelyhood that some people will get attacked. It's a great way to reduce the surplus of ISK that the economy has.

EDIT: So you have a bounty, big deal. Everyone has one nowadays. Your char is not a virgin anymore, congrats.
Simvastatin Montelukast
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#100 - 2012-12-07 03:16:31 UTC
Bounties need to be placed on piwates. I have been placing them on everybody who flys though the system...
Where are the noob systems? Sounds like fun to make them wanted.