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So the winner of this expansion is the Tengu?
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Codie Dunier
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-12-06 14:31:10 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ishmael Hansen wrote:



I have 9m sp's in drones that are of no use if I can't use other drones besides sentries.


My medium and lights are doing just fine.
Do a mission without using the exploit to remove drone aggro...

Done that already. I don't use exploits at all. I just keep my drones in until the things trying to kill my drones are gone, and then use Hammerheads for extra Anti-Battleship DPS, since I've yet to see Battleships try to kill drones.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-12-06 14:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rordan D'Kherr
Codie Dunier wrote:

. I just keep my drones in until the things trying to kill my drones are gone, and then use Hammerheads for extra Anti-Battleship DPS, since I've yet to see Battleships try to kill drones.


I can confirm that it works.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#43 - 2012-12-06 14:52:40 UTC
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea.
Doddy
Excidium.
#44 - 2012-12-06 14:55:37 UTC
Haven't tried with carrier but pretty much nothing is different for belt ratting or null sec anoms with subcaps. For missions you need to make sure drones don't run off and die and might need to recall them a couple of times. Still haven't lost any drones.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-12-06 15:06:47 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
dexington wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps.


The drone mechanics was not great pre-patch, and they didn't exactly get better by giving us a npc ai the has increased chance of killing drones. While i have read posts saying everything is fine, some even claim they are better now, i still feel you are able to apply less drone dps do to increased drone management.

The old npc ai was way to predictable, and it made npc fights boring as hell. CCP changed the AI for the right reasons, but i'll be honest a say the new drone mechanic can be annoying. My hopes is that it will makes CCP start working on new drones mechanics in the near future. A redesign of the drone menu would also be nice, if they want to increase drone management fine, but give us some decent/fun tools to do it.



Just because it now takes effort doesn't mean it's bad. It's not bad and it's not problematic. It's only an issue for non-effort 5 yearolds and afk/bots (not saying you're either).

I think you took more away from what they said then was there.

He's absolutely right.
The problem with drones isn't them getting blown up or needing to be micromanaged, it's the interface -mechanics-.

He's not saying anything that the devs haven't said themselves. The drone mechanics need to be overhauled.

I think it's pretty understandable for people to be annoyed with the changes. CCP probably could of held the NPC changes back and released it with an overhaul of the drone UI and made an entire expansion centered around the two.


The drone mechanics are bad. "Effort" should not be something that is forced upon the player because the UI is **** to manage.
Ishmael Hansen
Renegade Revenge Technologies
Solyaris Chtonium
#46 - 2012-12-06 15:24:12 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea.



lol, like that has anything to do with the issue.

That is a totally different thing, and I would love to see cloaking devices have a inactivity timer, or the inability to log a second account if you cloaked more than 5 min :)
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#47 - 2012-12-06 15:27:12 UTC
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea.



lol, like that has anything to do with the issue.

That is a totally different thing, and I would love to see cloaking devices have a inactivity timer, or the inability to log a second account if you cloaked more than 5 min :)


Sounds like more renter/pet/grindbear ideas.
Doddy
Excidium.
#48 - 2012-12-06 15:27:40 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea.



lol, like that has anything to do with the issue.

That is a totally different thing, and I would love to see cloaking devices have a inactivity timer, or the inability to log a second account if you cloaked more than 5 min :)


Sounds like more renter/pet/grindbear ideas.


This
Ishmael Hansen
Renegade Revenge Technologies
Solyaris Chtonium
#49 - 2012-12-06 15:36:57 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea.



lol, like that has anything to do with the issue.

That is a totally different thing, and I would love to see cloaking devices have a inactivity timer, or the inability to log a second account if you cloaked more than 5 min :)


Sounds like more renter/pet/grindbear ideas.



I don't want to end cloakers, I just find it lame to disrupt an entire alliance isk grinding with AFK ALT cloakers, the same people who complain about AFK mission runners.
Doddy
Excidium.
#50 - 2012-12-06 15:43:01 UTC
AFK cloakers can't disrupt anything, only your fear .
K1netic
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-12-06 15:49:00 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:


Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit

That someone being a developer

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421
Quote:
While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution.

Thank you play again..

reading comprehension 0/10. nowhere is she talking about exploits.
ashley Eoner
#52 - 2012-12-07 02:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Dar Manic wrote:

I don't see anything in your link to indicate it is an exploit. A problem with programming having unintended results? Yes. Exploit? No. Bad programming <> exploit.

People (hopefully) always have and (probably) will continue to recall drones when they are being aggro'd. Nothing has changed in that regard.

Thank you play again..
Since you obviously don't know the definition of exploit I'll help you out a bit.

Quote:
An exploit (from the verb to exploit, in the meaning of using something to one’s own advantage) is a piece of software, a chunk of data, or sequence of commands that takes advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behavior to occur on computer software, hardware, or something electronic (usually computerized).


So when they fix this bug and your drones are slaughtered no matter what and you're perma jammed because the NPCS are using unnerfed ECM will you come to the forums and admit you're wrong or will you just hide and hope they fix this mess?

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Done that already. I don't use exploits at all. I just keep my drones in until the things trying to kill my drones are gone, and then use Hammerheads for extra Anti-Battleship DPS, since I've yet to see Battleships try to kill drones.
I find it highly improbable that you're killing elite frigates without using drones or winmatar ACs with TEs and some distance. I sure wish my rigged and implant boosted nearly maxed cruise missiles/torps could hit a frigate worth a damned. With my skill set I'm stuck using anything and everything from TPs to MWDS to try to keep threat long enough to get some RR off on my drones.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#53 - 2012-12-07 04:43:54 UTC
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit

belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu.

Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.



Actually the Incursion Legion got a boost too with the lessened laser PG requirents so its easier to fit LOCUS rigs Bear
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-12-07 05:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dorian Wylde
Ishmael Hansen wrote:



I don't want to end cloakers, I just find it lame to disrupt an entire alliance isk grinding with AFK ALT cloakers, the same people who complain about AFK mission runners.





If they're AFK they can't hurt you. You are the one disrupting your isk farming with your foolish and hilarious paranoia.

ashley Eoner wrote:


Since you obviously don't know the definition of exploit I'll help you out a bit.
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Dictionary definitions don't apply here. If it was an exploit, CCP would be banning people for doing it. It's a bug, whether people want to call it an exploit or a trick, or creative use of game mechanics or whatever.
Mr Pragmatic
#55 - 2012-12-07 07:44:15 UTC
I seriously don't see the problem with the frigates aggroing the drones. First off all you can fill your drone bay with crap drones if your afraid to lose isk. Second of all I don't deploy drones untill the frigates are dead. I attempt to alpha them from 20k and out. once they get under my guns I don't even worry about them. Their damage is miniscule. I play a t2 fit apocalypse and have no problem tanking frigates. To be fair tho I havn't ran into any web scrams while doing lv4s since the changes.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Risien Drogonne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-12-28 09:01:51 UTC
Eli Green wrote:
Risien Drogonne wrote:
Eli Green wrote:
Drones are a primary weapon system? Lol

For a lot of ships, yes.


0/10

Are you stupid? If a ship's primary DPS comes from drones, then drones are its primary weapon system.

It ain't rocket science.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-12-28 11:04:40 UTC
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
I have 9m sp's in drones that are of no use if I can't use other drones besides sentries.


Here's an idea:

Hop in an arbitrator and go PVP. Your drone skills will be useful; the other day a lone arbitrator killed an Arazu and two Redeemers. I'd get the battle report but I really can't be bothered.

Dodixie > Hek
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-12-28 11:10:33 UTC
the only winner is the rattlesnake that still works the old way, same range, same dps. Beats the crap out of a tengu on isk/hr
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#59 - 2012-12-28 11:19:30 UTC
Ishmael Hansen wrote:

lol, that is stupid, drone users already had the short stick. In the time we had to wait for some spawns to aggro we could finish it in a tengu.




Why be bad in Eve? Ishtar has already popped first two frigs before Tengu's missiles even reach their target, which doesn't even die.

As what comes to the topic, I still make 100-200mil/hr in the exact same Domi fit from PVE.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#60 - 2012-12-28 11:41:39 UTC
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit
No, they're pretty much all unchanged, except a slight damage application reduction if you absolutely refuse to use anything but HMLs.

ashley Eoner wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit
That someone being a developer
…except of course, that no developer has ever said that it's an exploit in any way, shape, or form.