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Bounties are serious buisness.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-12-05 19:58:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Bienator II wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Bienator II wrote:

rather the option to pay the complete bounty yourself. its still all player driven

As long as the person who issued the bounty can also retract the bounty, you have that option. .

nope. if somebody decides to put a bounty on somebody the isk is gone. If the victim really dislikes a bounty he just pays it of his pocket. The damage is done. It is a double isk sink. It would not invalidate the bounty so there is no reason why the bounty payer would have to get something back. You just decide between exploding and paying it.

I think you should be able to retract a bounty.

Create a transaction tax if there isn't already one. Both for placing and retracting.

This way you can use it as a tool to extort other players, and the non criminal types have at least a chance of removing the bounty without having to lose a ship.

"Pirates" can use it in high sec on those freighters.


I don't see how you can exploit the ability to retract a bounty. It boils down to putting a quantity of items on the market, and pulling the order even after a portion has been sold. Let us not forget, CCP provides skills that act as tools to exploit the market in particular ways, and they've said it's ok.

Why shouldn't you be able to retract a bounty?

Edit: At the same time, using things like warp scrams on a ship in high sec should give you a suspect flag so that you can be shot, but not destroyed by concord.
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-12-05 20:03:39 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
So when everybody has a bounty, then there's no difference in having a bounty.


The difference is, I'm not gonna bat an eyelash for 100k.

In after the lock :P   - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-12-05 20:07:59 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
So when everybody has a bounty, then there's no difference in having a bounty.


The difference is, I'm not gonna bat an eyelash for 100k.

For future reference.

How much is enough?
Just for the sake of knowing.

Like say some random dude flying around high sec. How much can I put down, and feel comfortable that that guy is a target.

Codie Dunier
Doomheim
#64 - 2012-12-05 20:37:25 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Codie Dunier wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station.



Thx, DEIFER.


this was always going to be a problem where ppl could just grief people by adding bounties but as usual CCP dont listen. I think the whole bounty thing is a mess. I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh?

And even then, it would be easiest to handle if you can only place bounties on people you have an active PVP-flag towards while the flag is active. That way, bounties can only be placed on people who deserve it, and if you want to put a bounty on them, it must be while they're still hostile towards you. Putting bounties on someone just for the heck of it makes no more sense than launching nuclear missiles at allies during practice-matches. And yes, that actually happens from time to time.

Both of you are confused.

Bounty doesn't mean criminal.

Both of you deserve high bounties for being so risk averse. It's probably why the first guy got his. I doubt it was just "random".

You just go ahead and put a bounty on a forum-posting alt. I can always get rid of this alt and make a new one, should I want to do so.
Anonymous Fighter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-12-05 22:59:47 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
So when everybody has a bounty, then there's no difference in having a bounty.


I think the player base is trying to grief the game designers.




Yes i am !!!
Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-12-05 23:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Singulis Pacifica
Anonymous Fighter wrote:



Yes i am !!!


Lol, well, it's one way of making your point. Here... a quote from CCP Punkturis that will make you laugh...

CCP Punkturis wrote:

I believe (I have faith!) that people will mostly be putting bounties on people that annoy them, not just random people in local..


Heh, I guess that one didn't actually turn out as she expected. I wish I could live in her world though. Everyone would get along fine, we wouldn't even need bounties then.
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#67 - 2012-12-05 23:20:20 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station.

Pretty much, I got a bounty on my head and did not even play EVE mechanics yet. So even if you are not provoking anyone. you can get a bounty on you. That's dumb!

Raise the initial bounty to at least10mil and if no one get you within a month or so... Lower the bounty by a percentage until someone raise it again.

Bounty should only be inflicted on a pilot that deserve it. NOT ME! LOL.

Also if a pilot decide to place another amount of a pilot, he can only do it once for a week or so, therefore when you place a bounty, make sure you are placing it for what it is worth.

Thx, DEIFER.

i don't have a problem with people who don't deserve getting bounties getting bounties, but I do like the idea of decreasing the total bounty on a person by a certain percentage per month.
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#68 - 2012-12-05 23:21:01 UTC
Also, I get the feeling that this wave of "everyone puts bounties on everyone because **** it why not" will be short-lived.
Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-12-05 23:26:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Singulis Pacifica
ihcn wrote:
Also, I get the feeling that this wave of "everyone puts bounties on everyone because **** it why not" will be short-lived.


People have money to burn and if you don't agree with a forum poster or someone helping in the channel. Bang, just add another meaningless bounty of 100K ISK just to annoy the other person. I expect this will keep on going for a long time.
Rundle's BountyBroker
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-12-05 23:59:32 UTC
As the original anonymous bounty service in New Eden (by 2 days... lol) ... I can help you with this.

I don't have a minimum so if you wish to send me a list as long as your Hulk with 100,000 ISK bounties then I can help. Just remember to pay the service fee for each name on that list! :)

Rundle's BountyBroker Services - Brought to you by Rundle Allnighter

I look forward to helping!

Do you wish to have retribution while avoiding the consequence of your actions? I'll place that bounty for you! No bounty refused! The original anonymous bounty service of New Eden.
HybridOnslaught
New Eden Outcasts
#71 - 2012-12-06 00:32:57 UTC
with everyone placing bounties on everyone else can said bounties be shot at in highsec if not then no point worrying about it Ugh if they can then i see lots of tears in local soon
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#72 - 2012-12-06 00:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Codie Dunier wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station.



Thx, DEIFER.


this was always going to be a problem where ppl could just grief people by adding bounties but as usual CCP dont listen. I think the whole bounty thing is a mess. I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh?

And even then, it would be easiest to handle if you can only place bounties on people you have an active PVP-flag towards while the flag is active. That way, bounties can only be placed on people who deserve it, and if you want to put a bounty on them, it must be while they're still hostile towards you. Putting bounties on someone just for the heck of it makes no more sense than launching nuclear missiles at allies during practice-matches. And yes, that actually happens from time to time.

The problem is that assumes the only reason you would have a beef with somone is ship loss.
What if Suddenly Ninjas pops into my mission? Now I can put a bounty on your head.
Chribba stole my roid. Bounty.
Goons trolling the forums againstill. Bounty.

Also, bear in mind, you aren't flagged for shooting ships outside highsec or pods outside of empire, but a ship loss to a gate camp is no less irritating.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-12-06 00:49:40 UTC
The best part is this someone put bounty on your local mining ship kills you because its right now. You lose ship buy new one and continue the mining afhter that he returns and do the same.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-12-06 00:54:44 UTC
Codie Dunier wrote:
You just go ahead and put a bounty on a forum-posting alt. I can always get rid of this alt and make a new one, should I want to do so.


Because you're too much of a coward to post with your main?

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Holy One
Privat Party
#75 - 2012-12-06 00:57:50 UTC
Aziesta wrote:
There should be an administrative fee of 1% or so when placing a bounty. That way as long as we're being silly, we can be sinking ISK as well.


I can't believe CCP didnt think of that tbh. Another great isk sink!

:)
AnJuan Jackson
Red Star Trading Corporation
#76 - 2012-12-06 02:10:49 UTC
Seriously, everyone and their mother has a bounty on them. I know a girl who came back for the first time in a month, was just talking in chat, and bam. 1 Million Isk bounty for no reason. I don't think she ever left station.

Maybe we could use some rules.

Edit: Some principles! Thank god, we've been needing those...
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#77 - 2012-12-06 02:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Bienator II wrote:

rather the option to pay the complete bounty yourself. its still all player driven

As long as the person who issued the bounty can also retract the bounty, you have that option. .

nope. if somebody decides to put a bounty on somebody the isk is gone. If the victim really dislikes a bounty he just pays it of his pocket. The damage is done. It is a double isk sink. It would not invalidate the bounty so there is no reason why the bounty payer would have to get something back. You just decide between exploding and paying it.

I think you should be able to retract a bounty.

Create a transaction tax if there isn't already one. Both for placing and retracting.

This way you can use it as a tool to extort other players, and the non criminal types have at least a chance of removing the bounty without having to lose a ship.

"Pirates" can use it in high sec on those freighters.


I don't see how you can exploit the ability to retract a bounty. It boils down to putting a quantity of items on the market, and pulling the order even after a portion has been sold. Let us not forget, CCP provides skills that act as tools to exploit the market in particular ways, and they've said it's ok.

Why shouldn't you be able to retract a bounty?


because it puts some weight on the decision making process. Somebody just did something to you which has been perceived of being unfair and you want revenge but know that it might be difficult for whatever reason so you put a bounty on the bad guy. This was your decision. It shouldn't be possible to get something back later if you feel better or need some ISK - its not a wallet ;)

here the exploit:
- ducks put bounty on the purple frog freighter alliance
- purple frog is sad
- ducks say no problem frogs, just pay us the bounty we retract it
- frogs: yey!
- ducks: bazinga! we don't retract but thanks anyway

in fact, i can't think off a single usecase where i would like to retract a bounty i payed without it being a scam in some form.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Anonymous Fighter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-12-06 02:58:50 UTC
AnJuan Jackson wrote:
Seriously, everyone and their mother has a bounty on them. I know a girl who came back for the first time in a month, was just talking in chat, and bam. 1 Million Isk bounty for no reason. I don't think she ever left station.

Maybe we could use some rules.

Edit: Some principles! Thank god, we've been needing those...


I have 37 or 38 pages of bounty entrys on my wallet journal just like this.. tthats why everyone has a bounty :)

http://s12.postimage.org/9uskm4a25/bounties2.png
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-12-06 03:02:22 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Make them expire and it would be used seriously as well I think, also make the wanted tag a bit smaller lol


I couldn't believe an EVE player was capable of making some sense in the forums.... then I saw the name on this idea.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-12-06 03:54:30 UTC
Do they tax bounties? They should put something like a 5% tax on money going into a bounty, but leave the pay out at 100%.