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so unbelievably SICK of cloaks in this game

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Gasm
Colossus Enterprises
#1 - 2011-10-21 23:27:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Gasm
worst feature of eve: cloaks Twisted

eve would be a massively different, massively better game if these were removed.
Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-21 23:35:56 UTC
Like many features in the game it is not structurally designed or in any way balanced. The result is many different little things that do not fit into a bigger picture. It's a sandbox! Because there is no such thing as intelligent design everything is emergent.

If you ever want to create a game without putting any effort into the design of the game, do the same.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#3 - 2011-10-21 23:39:39 UTC
kabooomLol

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#4 - 2011-10-21 23:41:59 UTC
Is it just that an AFK Cloaker is causing you to have a break-down due to paranoia? or is there some valid argument you can make about them besides you are sick of them and don't like them...

I don't like alot of things in games but that isn't a reason to remove them, how about some logical statements and examples?

1. A cloaked ship cannot hurt you.
2. Cloaks are a valid defense.
3. Cloaked ships don't work well on the offense, this isn't ST with attacking Romulans.
4. FItting one nerfs most ships fits and so they are basically defensive in use.

I see no issues with them, in fact I would like to see them used more, but they limit a ship way to much most of the time to be useful. I think that you need to state your case beyond your sick of them.
Queue K'Umber
Lucky Golden Emperor's Jade Phoenix Dragon Bistro
#5 - 2011-10-21 23:45:55 UTC
This is just, like uh, your opinion, man.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#6 - 2011-10-21 23:48:37 UTC
Cry me a river
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#7 - 2011-10-22 00:09:22 UTC
Do NOT touch my cloaky ships.

Seriously, let's look at what's out there:

Covert Ops: essentially non-combat.
Stealth Bomber: glass cannons, only useful for hit-and-run attacks
Recon ships: Relatively low DPS and tank compared to other T2 cruisers
Black ops: hahahaha
Covert T3s: they give up their offense subsystem slot for coverts, significantly hurting their ability to deal damage.

AFK cloaker got you down? Too bad.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#8 - 2011-10-22 00:12:27 UTC
Came expecting a well thought, well articulated argument; left disappointed.

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2011-10-22 00:26:15 UTC
Worst feature of eve: Whiners.

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-10-22 00:31:20 UTC
Quote:
1. A cloaked ship cannot hurt you.
2. Cloaks are a valid defense.
3. Cloaked ships don't work well on the offense, this isn't ST with attacking Romulans.
4. FItting one nerfs most ships fits and so they are basically defensive in use.


1. Really? Did they remove the uncloak button?
2. Name 1 other defence that gives you 99.99999999999999999999999999999% safety in the middle of an enemy system, regardless of enemy numbers or actions.
3. Really? You don't play this game much do you? They are built to work on the offense, thats all they do!
4. No, a minor nerf to sig res. easily countered by a sensor booster is hardly a major nerf to most ships.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-22 00:41:11 UTC
Gasm wrote:
worst feature of eve: cloaks Twisted

eve would be a massively different, massively better game if these were removed.



Why?

It's an awesome tool for both sides, just learn to use it at your advantage.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-22 00:43:06 UTC
Gasm wrote:
worst feature of eve: cloaks Twisted

eve would be a massively different, massively better game if these were removed.


alot of us are so unbelievably SICK of cloak whiners in the game

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Vid Eeomeet
Smoke 'n' Mirrors
#13 - 2011-10-22 00:54:03 UTC
Oh God the cloak whine again. Arguing that cloaks are unbalanced because somebody can decloak is almost as bad as complaining that somebody could jump onto a system you are in. People that are bothered by by this would have a panic attack on WH space. Please CCP, don't waste your time with this. We both know that cloaked ships can't actually engage. If system security's an issue, there's a fix for that. It's called good gate camps. And please don't bother me with how it's impossible to catch cloaked ships at a gate as I've been killed that way more than once.
Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-22 00:57:53 UTC
Rhinanna wrote:
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2. Name 1 other defence that gives you 99.99999999999999999999999999999% safety in the middle of an enemy system, regardless of enemy numbers or actions.


There is not other. So if they removed or nerfed cloaks it would be impossible.

Which would be BAD. Being able to enter enemy territory and collect intel is a good thing.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-22 00:58:15 UTC
Rhinanna wrote:
Quote:
1. A cloaked ship cannot hurt you.
2. Cloaks are a valid defense.
3. Cloaked ships don't work well on the offense, this isn't ST with attacking Romulans.
4. FItting one nerfs most ships fits and so they are basically defensive in use.


1. Really? Did they remove the uncloak button?
2. Name 1 other defence that gives you 99.99999999999999999999999999999% safety in the middle of an enemy system, regardless of enemy numbers or actions.
3. Really? You don't play this game much do you? They are built to work on the offense, thats all they do!
4. No, a minor nerf to sig res. easily countered by a sensor booster is hardly a major nerf to most ships.




1. If they uncloak, then they're not cloaked, thus cloaking is a non-issue. QED.
2. Docking. Except that is 100%. NERF DOCKING.
3. No. They are built to cloak. Metagaming is not "offense" in the purest sense of the word.
4. So giving up a high slot AND a mid slot is not gimping? Sounds more like you haven't been playing this game very long. And of course you conveniently leave out the cooldown targetting period. If a non-cov ops decloaks next to you and you can't warp out in time, that's your fail.
Grainsalt
Independent'R'Us
#16 - 2011-10-22 01:00:02 UTC
I love afk cloakers. When they decloak I get a KM. Big smile
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-22 01:02:34 UTC
Nerf AFK cloak whining threads
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#18 - 2011-10-22 01:10:44 UTC
16 posts of clueless posters....

OP is obvioulsy talking about Amarr Cloaks and i wholeheartedly agree with him. Cloaks need to be removed so that those people can't make funny faces at us without us seeing it.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#19 - 2011-10-22 01:15:25 UTC
Rhinanna wrote:

2. Name 1 other defence that gives you 99.99999999999999999999999999999% safety in the middle of an enemy system, regardless of enemy numbers or actions.


Only when the last cloaking device is removed from the game will cloak whiners realize that they are now ECCM whiners.

HTFU?
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2011-10-22 01:19:24 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
16 posts of clueless posters....

OP is obvioulsy talking about Amarr Cloaks and i wholeheartedly agree with him. Cloaks need to be removed so that those people can't make funny faces at us without us seeing it.

lmao

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
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