Crime & Punishment

We are loving this free war thing

And after retribution goes live it is all over.

*Added Retract War option for aggressor if defender has set war to mutual.

From the patch notes....expecting whining threads soon...

Who is going to be whining in this thread after it works?

And your point is?

Hrm so I wonder what they did in relation to the claim that they fixed it.

Needs more dots and zeros.




Not 'Goons', Just 'MiniLuv'.

I don't expect someone like you to understand intra-alliance organization, or the SIGs and Squads structure of our Alliance, but I assure you Goons kill (and die) everywhere.

So an update on what we're seeing so far:

1.) We're not sure if the situation has been fixed.

2.) Wars that are set mutual by the defender can start a 24hr retraction by the aggressor. We set all our wars unmutual right before the expansion to avoid this (and rightfully so, a dropped corp experienced 74 retractions in under 8hrs by staying mutual)

3.) No wars against Dec Shield have ended in the past 48hrs (by random distribution of our 286 wars around 81 should have naturally ended by now), so something is going on

4.) We proposed a new method of maintaining infinite war by a repeating multi-day staggered sequence of dropping corps out of alliance and rejoining a few days later to restore any dropped wars. Under the old rules this would have been effective because the start date of wars were set fresh when a corp joined/left an alliance. Two devs have sworn this is fixed, but not how they fixed it. Our proposed fix was to inherit the start date from the parent war when making a copy to prevent the 7 day extensions.

5.) Corps dropping out of an alliance still do not inherit the start dates of their parent wars. Because of the dev insistence that this loophole won't work we've concluded that all wars have a hidden end-date that isn't visible to the players. It is possible that copied wars now inherit this hidden end-date timer from the parent wars. Thus it's very possible the loophole is closed and we won't know until it's too late.

6.) But using evidence from point 3 above, something has changed with wardec mechanics. Or it's a "feature" we never knew about before because we had never unmutualed wars. As I said, we should of had 81 retractions by now and we've had none. Therefore we've come to believe that the act of unmutualing a war sets the hidden end-date timer back by at least 48hrs (probably 7 days). Therefore, since it's possible to instantly mutual/unmutual a war we've begun tests along these lines to see if unmutualing extends the end-date. We will know for sure in 5 days the results of these tests.

I think were going to end up needing to wait for a week before we know exactly what has changed and what hasn't.

Using information we've gathered from aggressors, and from tests we're running on the test server. We can conclude that the proposed exploit we've been warning CCP about for weeks, is indeed closed.

However, we have discovered a new exploit that will allow us to keep you trapped indefinitely. We will now resume activities and recruitment immediately