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Tips on being Webbed?
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Laris Orwan
DigiLab
#1 - 2012-12-03 18:59:39 UTC
Hi,

I'm looking for some tips on how to deal with being caught by web stasis. I'm just starting to run lv2's and have completed the first epic line. Both ships I've lost have been from being snared and shot to pieces while unable to move.

Obviously if I'm in range use drones or focus my missiles on the target webbing me but what about when you're not in range like web towers etc? How do you get out of this situation? I know there a websites that tell you about every mission etc but I'm not interested in using them as it spoils the fun for me.

Should I scope the mission out with a cheap ship first?

Is there a caldari fit that people would recommend for lv2 missions that counters webbing effectively?

What are your tips for dealing with being webbed when you're out of range of the target?

I'm pretty new so I apologise if I come across as a noob.. But I am :)

Any help much appreciated.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-12-03 19:01:51 UTC
If you want to scope out missions, do so in your pod. NPCs will not shoot pods. I do this all the time to get bookmarks for the third part of Dread Guristas Fleet Staging Point (the plex that shoots a 6000 dps torpedo at you).

Keep in mind if you're only webbed and not warp disrupted/scrambled, you can still warp out.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#3 - 2012-12-03 19:02:13 UTC
When in doubt, align to celestial and warp instantly when tank goes haywire. Webbing won't prevent your warp drives from functioning.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2012-12-03 19:03:19 UTC
Webbed..or were you scrambled ?

Just warp away from a Web. You will reach your new reduced Full Speed and hit warp. We web our Freighters to make them hit warp a lot faster.

Scrambled, however, usually means death.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#5 - 2012-12-03 19:03:30 UTC
A level 2 Caldari fit is a Caracal that spews missiles. With basic missile support skills you should be able to kill most things at warp- in range.

Also, use the guides.

Using guides may not be as fun, but having to constantly re-grind the ISK to replace ships because you didn't read the available intel guides is even less fun than that.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-03 19:04:07 UTC
if you keep out of 10km range of any ship it won't web you (in PvE at least)

there are exceptions to this though:
-web drones
-stasis towers.

If you get caught by one of those, kill them immediately. If they are out of range, warp off, get ammo that can hit it, then come back.

you should ALWAYS use eve survival reports, if you want to maximize how much ISK you will make from missions.

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Laris Orwan
DigiLab
#7 - 2012-12-03 19:04:33 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If you want to scope out missions, do so in your pod. NPCs will not shoot pods. I do this all the time to get bookmarks for the third part of Dread Guristas Fleet Staging Point (the plex that shoots a 6000 dps torpedo at you).

Keep in mind if you're only webbed and not warp disrupted/scrambled, you can still warp out.


Thanks.. Points taken.
Laris Orwan
DigiLab
#8 - 2012-12-03 19:07:00 UTC
Wow I like this forum quick and useful responses many thanks. Will try some of these ideas later.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#9 - 2012-12-03 19:07:48 UTC
Always kill frigates first, and train up your drones for killing ones that get on top of you before you can.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Laris Orwan
DigiLab
#10 - 2012-12-03 19:10:19 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
if you keep out of 10km range of any ship it won't web you (in PvE at least)

there are exceptions to this though:
-web drones
-stasis towers.

If you get caught by one of those, kill them immediately. If they are out of range, warp off, get ammo that can hit it, then come back.

you should ALWAYS use eve survival reports, if you want to maximize how much ISK you will make from missions.


Just a point on stasis towers they webbed me at 60k my drones are only 35k and my scourge light missiles are 34k I think. How do I destroy it before the other ships blow me up? Is there anyway to go faster then 60m/sec (or something like that). Someone in chat mentioned MWD but didn't elaborate?
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#11 - 2012-12-03 19:15:33 UTC
Laris Orwan wrote:
Just a point on stasis towers they webbed me at 60k


In those cases you just have to tough it out and try to destroy the attacking ships while slowly making your way into range.

If that's too hard it's a sign you need to work on your tank.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Risien Drogonne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-12-03 19:28:01 UTC
What were the two ships you lost and how had you fit them?
Tesal
#13 - 2012-12-03 22:18:51 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Always kill frigates first, and train up your drones for killing ones that get on top of you before you can.


Sometimes killing all the frigs causes the next wave to spawn. You are better off killing the bigger stuff first.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-03 22:22:28 UTC
Laris Orwan wrote:
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
if you keep out of 10km range of any ship it won't web you (in PvE at least)

there are exceptions to this though:
-web drones
-stasis towers.

If you get caught by one of those, kill them immediately. If they are out of range, warp off, get ammo that can hit it, then come back.

you should ALWAYS use eve survival reports, if you want to maximize how much ISK you will make from missions.


Just a point on stasis towers they webbed me at 60k my drones are only 35k and my scourge light missiles are 34k I think. How do I destroy it before the other ships blow me up? Is there anyway to go faster then 60m/sec (or something like that). Someone in chat mentioned MWD but didn't elaborate?



Afterburner or microwarp drive. Which ship are you missioning with? The biggest hep would be to get some solid missioning fits for your ship.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2012-12-03 22:28:08 UTC
Welp, I kept waiting for someone else to post this, so: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

Note: the other kinds of Missions are back at the main page so don't miss it.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Lance Rossiter
CHAINS Corp
#16 - 2012-12-03 22:33:22 UTC
You can improve your range on a Caracal by training up your skills, and should be able to get much, much greater distances if you do so. Missiles are excellent for long range combat and being able to project your damage far enough will reduce the problems caused by webbing.

You can improve your speed by fitting and using an afterburner or a microwarp drive. You still won't exactly be fast while under webbing, but with a MWD in particular you should be able to "sprint" either closer to the tower (so you can blow it up) or further from the tower, so you can whittle down the opposing ships while they chase you.

You can improve your durability in order to be less reliant on your speed to survive. You won't be able to make miracles happen with a cruiser's tank, but if you can run a shield booster for a decent length of time and have some resistance bonuses backing it up, then you'll be able to survive situations that would otherwise cause you a lot of stress.

You can also try ECM, as it is effective on NPC targets and something that can't lock you cannot web you. The problem with this is getting enough range.

You can also fit drone link augmentor modules to allow your drones to operate over greater distances, but this probably isn't the best idea on a ship like a caracal that has no drone bonuses and no utility high slots.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2012-12-03 22:43:02 UTC
Yeah, I used my Caracal somewhat over 2 years ago to run Level 2's and into 3. Train up all those missile skills up (yes even Guided Missile Precision) through Cruise Missiles and most Level 4's in a Raven will be a snap.

Missiles are easy to direct specific damage types of the 4.

And get those Shields up on all forms especially the resistance Hardeners. I agree about the ECM, but that can wait on some of the more important Core Fitting Centric Skills.

When confident get Faction Caracal. The T2 Cerberus version does Level 3's quite well too.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#18 - 2012-12-03 22:45:50 UTC
Tesal wrote:
Sometimes killing all the frigs causes the next wave to spawn. You are better off killing the bigger stuff first.


Frigates are the only ships which have webs and warp scramblers in missions. If those things don't bother you, then by all means leave them alone.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2012-12-03 22:57:44 UTC
Tesal wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Always kill frigates first, and train up your drones for killing ones that get on top of you before you can.


Sometimes killing all the frigs causes the next wave to spawn. You are better off killing the bigger stuff first.


At Level 4 it's almost exclusively Cruiser or above. Best to use Eve Survival and be done with it by knowing everything. I did up through Level 3's without much help as I didn't know the resources to use, so I can see the appeal of 'winging it'. But it does get expensive.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Feledain
Elmsfeuer
#20 - 2012-12-03 23:56:59 UTC
I think i know the mission.

There shoud be stuff near the stasis tower where you can make a bookmark, then warp to the BM and kill that damn thing.
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