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Who the bounty change will truly affect most.
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Dalts
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#61 - 2012-12-03 18:12:41 UTC
I assumed the main impact will be when Goons put bounties on all the freighters moving about in hi sec so that its profitable for people to gank them with less ships than they currently have to use, enough ISK thrown at that and the markets will go very wonky, especially trit if people can't move freighters around.
Kari Juptris
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#62 - 2012-12-03 18:17:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kari Juptris
Dalts wrote:
I assumed the main impact will be when Goons put bounties on all the freighters moving about in hi sec so that its profitable for people to gank them with less ships than they currently have to use, enough ISK thrown at that and the markets will go very wonky, especially trit if people can't move freighters around.



There go the Goons, controlling your game again.Roll
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#63 - 2012-12-03 18:20:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Dalts wrote:
I assumed the main impact will be when Goons put bounties on all the freighters moving about in hi sec so that its profitable for people to gank them with less ships than they currently have to use, enough ISK thrown at that and the markets will go very wonky, especially trit if people can't move freighters around.


Again with the tunnel vision.

Freighters are already getting ganked frequently. Slightly more won't even be noticeable.

And even if it was noticeable, 0.0 alliances buy all their stuff in hisec, so they'd just be ****ing where they eat.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Dalts
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#64 - 2012-12-03 18:29:26 UTC
Kari Juptris wrote:
Dalts wrote:
I assumed the main impact will be when Goons put bounties on all the freighters moving about in hi sec so that its profitable for people to gank them with less ships than they currently have to use, enough ISK thrown at that and the markets will go very wonky, especially trit if people can't move freighters around.



There go the Goons, controlling your game again.


You say that like you took my post as a complaint. Far from it, I enjoy the various interdictions that happen. Sorry to disappoint you little TESTie.

Also no not tunnel vision, I can see the potential impact you are talking about, although as others have said I think it will be unlikely to cause too much disruption, though it could have an interesting impact on some areas of the game, certainly makes it more likely that people will give out info on blues ratting in pimped ships for payments, profiting without doing anything stupid like ending up on a blue KM. Certainly could make it interesting for JF pilots.
Dethmourne Silvermane
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#65 - 2012-12-03 18:33:55 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
If you think like that, something leads me to believe you're one of those guys who does level 4 missions in an officer-fit battleship shooting ammo worth more than the bounties.


Nope.avi.

All T2 fittings and standard ammo. But if i farmed sites in 0.0 space i'd have more isk to buy extravagant things with.



Your opinion of the ISK gain potential in nullsec is astounding. I'm sure we have some people that are doing the ridiculous fits out here (after all, in other alliances I've been in I've been privy to seeing ratting titans), but for the most part folks in nullsec aren't spending heavily on their ratting ships - they rat in a ship that's "just good enough", so they can rat just long enough to buy their next PVP ship.

Interested Party (TM)
Ghazu
#66 - 2012-12-03 18:41:20 UTC
Dalts wrote:
I assumed the main impact will be when Goons put bounties on all the freighters moving about in hi sec so that its profitable for people to gank them with less ships than they currently have to use, enough ISK thrown at that and the markets will go very wonky, especially trit if people can't move freighters around.

Oh you mean like the perma minergeddon with api automated payments before the bounties revamp?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#67 - 2012-12-03 18:42:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:
Your opinion of the ISK gain potential in nullsec is astounding.


Man, i wish reality astounded me like that. Sad

No one is buying the BS about hisec L4s being the best way to make isk anymore, so you can stop pretending.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-12-03 19:22:32 UTC
doesn't matter if you have a billion zillion bounty on you, the person who kills you still only gets ISK for a percentage of what your ship was worth

TunDraGon ~ Low sec piracy since 2003 ~ Youtube ~ Join Us
Eru GoEller
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-12-03 19:49:28 UTC
Dalts wrote:
I assumed the main impact will be when Goons put bounties on all the freighters moving about in hi sec so that its profitable for people to gank them with less ships than they currently have to use, enough ISK thrown at that and the markets will go very wonky, especially trit if people can't move freighters around.


Why on earth would they be doing that? Freighters are being gank today without bounties and putting a bounty with their own ISK,
is a bigger win? Could be that someone beats them to it one system ahead of Niarja/Uedama and that's a loss in my books.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-12-03 20:35:34 UTC
Dalts wrote:
I assumed the main impact will be when Goons put bounties on all the freighters moving about in hi sec so that its profitable for people to gank them with less ships than they currently have to use, enough ISK thrown at that and the markets will go very wonky, especially trit if people can't move freighters around.


20% of the ship loss value. Thats the total payout from bounties. Goon are already doing the ganking so all it might do is lower the bar a little on whats the value you can "safely" haul. For all I know they just won't bother calculating it and will go with thier current system and just see the bounty payout as random bonus.

A freighter full of trit will most likely still be a big waste of talos to gank considering the total value of the hold is too low...
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-12-03 20:50:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
so let's assume I have a bounty and I'm in a rokh, total cost 330M

that minus insurance comes out to 128M

20% of that is 25M and it gets split up amongst everyone who aggressed me before I died

you're basically saying that people will awox a rokh for that 25M bounty payout

I hate to drag this back to page 1, but something here got me confused.

Is insurance actually calculated into (or in this case out of) the loss? From the examples I've seen given it was never stated as a factor, just the actual values of the ship and item loss.
Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-12-03 21:16:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
this is my rokh:

Quote:
[Rokh, butte]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Signal Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge L

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


tell me how i'm "lowballing everything as much as possible" with a standard T2 fit battleship


Everyone knows the ebil goosn empire shites money. Don't lie to the forum alt! Show him the real alliance SRF fit which has faction guns, officer invulns, and GM damage mods.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-12-31 17:48:23 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
If you think like that, something leads me to believe you're one of those guys who does level 4 missions in an officer-fit battleship shooting ammo worth more than the bounties.


Confirming that using ammo that increases your DPS by 15% is just a waste of money.....

sarcasm....

Seriously though... officer fits are just asking to get ganked... but faction ammo generally improves isk/hour, at least for lvl 4 missions. (this is especially true for lasers and ships with a 100% damage bonus)
Dethmourne Silvermane
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#74 - 2012-12-31 20:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Bane Necran wrote:
Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:
Your opinion of the ISK gain potential in nullsec is astounding.


Man, i wish reality astounded me like that. Sad

No one is buying the BS about hisec L4s being the best way to make isk anymore, so you can stop pretending.



Oh god no, highsec L4s are maybe 60m/hr, I can push 100m/hr reliably in nullsec. What you -really- want is highsec market trading, industry, PI, maybe all 3, or if you're still sold on shooting red crosses you want to live in a wormhole (I personally like C2s that have highsec/c4 statics, for really nice ISK/hr production from the c4s without the inconvenience of living in a c5/c6).

EDIT: It was pointed out to me that you can actually break 100m/hr in highsec doing L4s if you just blitz the missions like a pro instead of being a moron and shooting everything, but that takes :effort: and is probably harder post-retribution, so I'm going to discount it.

Interested Party (TM)
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#75 - 2012-12-31 20:25:08 UTC
"Who the bounty change will truly affect most"

Of course pirates, because they looks like every other carebear hehe.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-12-31 20:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
I still say the best use of the bounty system is to place it on the Alliance or Corporation.
Even in null, Although I haven't heard of mercenaries being used in a long time.

EIther way payment for results or sweeten the pot for results.

But you have to have the ISK to make it sweet enough for someone to care.
And then it comes down to if you had that ISK why didn't you just spend it on ships instead as other have stated.

I guess the intent of bounties is for those who can't or don't want to do it, to pay someone else.

I haven't looked but I seriously doubt any bounty less then 100 mil will get someone to actually go out of there way for.
And I am being rather conservative. the price might be closer to a bill before someone really takes notice.

As I think about null, maybe a 10 bill for a really notorious FC just because.
Not sure .

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2013-01-01 00:34:47 UTC
It is sad that not more people put bounty on mission running terrorists,
so people with their hearts in the right place can bring justice upon them.
Hannah Flex
#78 - 2013-01-01 01:30:21 UTC
Serptimis wrote:
This new system will cause alliances to tear each other apart, former allies at each others jugulars , scrapping for millions of isk worth of bounties,ending once and for all the coalitions of null sec. Well played CCP Blink


Nope. It's essentially a 'fluff' feature, with little to no impact on anyones gameplay whatsoever.