Warfare & Tactics

As long as there are plexes....I will dislike them regardless of any and all changes.

Worst....mechanic....ever....

......well, now only second to the utterly stupid docking rights.....

Technically correct, but only if you think that brawler fits should not be required to move .. ever.

Current distances are a bit excessive in minors and to a lesser extent mediums while largely OK in majors (BC up weapon ranges).
The "solution" that is being pushed does indeed sort out the excessive distances involved, but it does so by homogenizing competitive plexing fleets as you will be hard pressed to find anyone willing to go long due to it being suicidal except in cases where you are guaranteed to be 1st.

What they should have done was keep the plex differentiation to keep plexing 'fresh' (long term), that is done by keeping the current capture ranges and moving buttons closer to entry point based on something like 1.5-2.0x average range of expected/anticipated weapons ..
So a minor would probably be around 20'ish km (10km capture range which is well within reach of even the laziest brawler pilots).
Medium would be closer to 30-35km (15km ca.. see above).
Majors would be the current 40km+.

It is quite frankly a bad move that will do a lot more harm than good .. but it was likely chosen because it was easiest to do .. same button range, same capture range .. expect CCP to get a cease and desist from layers of the term "dumbing down" as they are walking all over its copyrights/trademark.

Huh?! .. your lips are moving but only nonsense comes out. Always flown brawler (w. active TANK! because I am cool) and commonly refuse fleets with boosters because double standards are, contrary to popular opinion, not twice as good.

What topic of which you have no clue would you like to discuss next, I am sure the list of viable topics is extensive.

i like your idea on dynamic ranges for different plexes, and also agree how frustrating it is that CCP continues to demonstrate brilliance often, and then makes a seemingly half-baked, catch-all change like this that really affect the core of a very simple mechanic. plexing is to increase PVP.

this is immutable: it takes 2 to pew pew. this change seems to reward 1 player for getting a defensive spot in a plex, and punish any would be challenger for stepping up.

idk if i agree that the minor distances are really excessive. the distance allows a ship time to see a player enter the plex if he missed scanning him at the gate, and warp out if so inclined, or get to range if he wanted a fight.

CCP might consider dropping it (the plex button) to 40km-50km, but much more is an almost guaranteed scram for a brawler, unless he's asleep at the wheel.

i mean, it's 80km right now, not 800km. let's get real CCP.

Can't wait to try my propless fits out in an environment that is pants on head ********.

This really, my concern is that the fits best for taking plexes will be a perverse aberration of normal Losec PVP fits, Propless blaster DPS EHP bricks on the warp in. I fly Gallente but still would prefer there to be some distance between warp in and the timer. A tactical element in fitting and flying skill is potentially being lost.

i wanna see two accel gates, one on the button and one 100-300km away on the other side, so theres always a "back door" to get into a plex, this camping the warp in stuff is just too linear and dull (and predictable)

options are good.

i can't agree more. This in fact is a very unnecessary change.

It would have had made sense 6month ago right after the inferno patch as quick fix for the gunless frig farmers issue. Now however, there is no good reason anymore why its there in the first place. It just changes something which was actually working pretty good.

If somebody in the plex does not want to fight he will not fight... it does not matter at all where the warpin is. He will just leave as soon something is on close range scan. Again: the motivation behind the change is not obvious at all for me.

The actual fix for the issue would be a timer reset if the plexer leaves. This would create a motivation to stay and fight... the warpin change does nothing regarding that.

The new plex layout FORCES you to use dscan all the time while waiting at the flag since you can no longer react fast enough if you see something in overview. FW plexes were a good place where you could control who is engaging you and a nice environment for good fights. Fighting in a plex is now just like fighting anywhere else. The opponent can just spawn the rest of his fleet next to you. Less good fights :(

Also.. as OP already analyzed some ships will become also VERY risky to fly. E.g you like a slicer or a sentinel? Think twice about that. If you are the hunter you have a very good chance to die to cheap frigs at warpin since the defender has ALWAYS enough time to move to 0 if he doesn't camp it already.

I agree that the capture point is a bit too close now and agree with logic that says FW plexes are much better defended now. Present this to a DEV as soon as you can.

Come mid February when I am back home and playing again the state will rise to smack down all those who stand in the way of corporate profits. We will not be deterred by a bunch of slack jawed froggers and their little federation.