Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While hunting around for a high sec moon to put a POS on this morning ive come across a dozen or so POS just in space, no modules, no shields.

Could CCP not work it so a POS that has gone offline is removed from space after 6 months. This could be explained as damage to the towers structure has been sustained due to natural space debris causing it to collapse

Or they could give us the ability to unanchor and steal dead POSes. I'd go for that.

There are tons of bloody POS's that are just dead in the water. I know CCP want to sort POS's so they can be put almost anywhere, but in the maen time, there needs to be a way to shift them, other than wardec'ing the owning corp/alliance and POS bashing it.

How about after 60 days of inactivity, a POS becomes a wreck, a salvageable wreck ;)

-While I was reading around on the forums I started reading about, find a use for Marines thread. As this might be a good use of marines and making things board things. A corporation could then loadup a certain amount of Marines to leave in there as defense, and if another corp/player happens upon the POS with enough marines to load into the pos to counteract the defensive marines then the pos could be yours.-

could be meaning: This is also a conjuctive idea with Dust 514, since I feel theres a flaw with just randomly generating success numbers and 100% success numbers.

ie.
100% success Number
DEFENSIVE Corp - 80 Marines
OFFENSIVE Corp - 100 Marines
Offensive corp wins with 20 Marines spare.

Randomly Generated
DEFENSIVE Corp - 80 Marines
OFFENSIVE Corp - 100 Marines
Defensive corp wins with 18 Marines spare.

It could derive from the numbers DUST 514 puts out, meaning you could be fighting 20v20 station battles in Dust with reinforcements of 80 for the defensive team, and 100 for the offensive team.
Initially separate from the game of eve, the eve servers could then use the numbers derived from the actual Dust514 Station Battles.
It gives the Dust Players an opportunity and reason to fight corp battles with full corp teams. Multiple matches then get stored into a pool providing the EVE corp who "hired" that merc dust corp to fight the battle, which can then be used on either multiple successful assaults of POSes provided the offensive Dust Mercs win, or multiple failed assaults on the POS if the offensive Dust mercs lose, requiring that EVE player to reload with more marines.

Regular and Elite Marines -- You can then allow corps to assign certain Team statistics to their marines, like their best of the best mercs teams in dust get their pool of statistics assigned to the elite marines in EVE, that way the attacking pilot can carry either a cache of regular marines (representing random dust players) or elite marines (representing a specific corp that you hired in dust to fight battles).

Quick Fix Until CCP implements a sturdier one -- At that point if you only allow regular marines to loaded into POSes which would eliminate the need of forcing a DUST match between players at the beginning which will allow you more time to come up with a matchmaking system in DUST that pits specific merc corps against eachother for that specific battle. (Lining those things up across DUST and EVE seems like it would be a difficult task, although I could be wrong)

InstantQ Matchmaking/Printing game Statistics -- Regular Marines fighting regular marines, would then translate to Randoms v Randoms in DUST, providing you with an Instant Battle option within DUST, since I imagine that there are a lot of derelict POSes you would need a giant pool of statistics to pull from. Instant/random games will provide a statistics pool large large enough to eliminate the need of random probability programing outside of selecting at random how well your team performed.


In EVE if your marines win, then you got lucky and EVE selected a battle from DUST in which the attacking team won, and didnt lose. If your marines lose you were unlucky.

BREAKDOWN

Actual system would work something like this...

Attacking EVE player has a squad marines in their cargo hold (maybe a new marine dropship that can only hold 3-5 squads) comes up to an abandoned POS, lays siege, unloads a squad of marines into the POS, if the defending player has marines as well.
At that point enters DUST, Random battle number 1372 statistics: Defender with 100 reinforcements v Attacker with 100 reinforcements, attacker wins with 100 kills vs 72 defender kills. (Actual Battle Statistics) *if you as an attacker has an elite squad then refer to the corp team statistics rather than random teams.*
Back inside EVE defender team is gone, attacking force has 28 marines left, 1 full squad and 1 incomplete squad which you have to repair/reload/rerank/rearm back at a station before taking them out again to assault.

Different sized POSes lead to different defending forces, and different sized marine assault ships lead to different sized attacking forces.

If you only allow Small ships to attack Small POSes, meds to meds, and large ships to large POSes, the battle statistics in dust would be even easier to generate, eliminating the need of filling out a 20man v 100man battle somehow.
You can then focus in DUST on 20v20, 40v40 and 80v80 battles. With those numbers being the amount of reinforcments a 20man team has available to them on their respective station/ship, small med large. The Small station has some realism that you're in a small POS since you have 0 Reinforcements to pool from, once you're dead you're dead. So to add realism to the large POS, make the Large POS battles 2x20man teams instead of 1 giving you some realism that youre fighting on a large station.

Obviously leads to different game types in Dust, which will in turn lead to different play styles. A hardcore mode for the ppl who like to play w/o lives, a team match mode which a player can play with some reinforcements and a large team mode on the bigger POS.
4 factions w/ 3 poses each means quick 12 maps to play on, then you have faction POSes which add more game content with maps, maybe special equipment or ability spawns, or trapdoors in the faction POSes. *Implementing the Faction POSes as different maps leads to creating new pools of statistics, which could be hard to program for.*

I appologize for the long post and for hijacking your thread, but according to the rules of the forum I had to have ideas backing a: "Moar Use 4 MArines!" post.

Please enjoy, do feel free to comment on it... some decisions were made with programming in mind! I want to see this in action rather than just words. (Easier to program = Easier to implement into game)

-Ara

aravinth's idea is a long read but interesting none the less, would help merge eve with dust a lot more and bring more options to the table. because it will easily open up empty moons and such in highsec. now if we could do that to do something like bringing down active pos's faster (disruption the stront supply in the towers thus reducing the reinforce timer ever so slightly) that would be even more interesting

Ara,

Great idea, tried to quote it but you had managed to reach the character limit!

I think this would be a fantastic way of more actively integrating DUST 514 into the full Eve experience.

With such a large number of POS abandoned in the universe at the moment you could tie this in as a bounty feature.

Say i put 100million bounty on the structure. This would then be dished out to the winning dust bunnies, with the higher bounties giving the tower a higher priority on the matchmaking list.

i think you should make your own thread basically copying and pasting your last post!

+1 for a Dust away team

Also, some shameless self promotion;

Hacking as an answer to the POS bash

Entirely? Who told you that load of BS?

Given the huge amount of stuff that can only really be done with POS's, (the whole of wormhole life being just one aspect totally dependant on POS's,) I somehow think the Jita riots would pale in comparison to what would happen if CCP removed POS's entirely.

They are reworking the whole POS system, pretty much from the ground up from what I can tell. But it's a fair way off. That's not removing them, that's changing them. Big difference.

What this thread is looking or is a way to get rid of POS's that are not even in use, denying access to what should be an available moon, (primarily in high sec,) without recruiting 10 or 20 people for a seriously boring POS bash that wouldn't even leave any loot or goodies of any kind.

If the POS work is going to take another year or even two, I don't want to wait that long to get a spot to put up a POS. Alternative options are what we want, sooner rather than later preferably.

just for the record on this subject.

An oracle quickly fitted can take down 65% of the POS shield solo overnight ... i realise this isnt quiet how the game is supposed to be played but needs must.

Dam early downtime today will foil my plot

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