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In addition, there's already something like this in the game (low class wormholes).

If you made the systems predetermined (like wormholes) or perhaps revamped areas of NPC null to be like this, then maybe?

Really I can't see this doing anything that lower class wormholes don't already do better though (much less a way that feels natural), so it's probably best to just bring this about naturally by expanding the size of nullsec and buff nullsec in general so that even poor truesec space is worth living in and large alliances can't occupy all the space. Dominion and its iterations have partially done this, but oftentimes hisec is just better to live in in the current day and age.

Its not so much resources, unless they are doing a huge content expansion, but revising current stats.

Nullsec ores double the yield of highsec variants (and likewise, have some of the rarer ores appear in high-sec like abc) that would allow a sort of independence of either, and trade going either way on all kinds of minerals depending on suppy and demand and where people want to mine. No sure if it would make mining truly better in null due to risk and ease of multiboxing and afk minning in high. A true risk vs reward.

To discourage the massive importing that is done now for capital production, mineral compression could be reduced for the items that compress it the best down to a more consistant rate with all other other items/ships.

Also station slots, they need to be tenfold for a fully upgraded station to compensate that any given system can only have one station and me be the only one for multiple neighboring systems. The hard limit on them could be eliminated as well to allow real hubs and production. The refining quality could also be made much better, (not requiring god skill or implants to have as good as empire stations)


Beyond allowing multiple stations that might change code, most of this is re-balancing stats.

One of my pet ideas that I have tossed into random threads was the idea of an SBU module that would hold open a wormhole connection. Reinforcement timer and everything.

To prevent it from ruining all WH's. make it only able to hold open a class 1-3. In this way, you could "attach" wh's to capitals in null and allow for "floating castles". IE. a fully pos'ed up WH, that you purposely wardial into a hostile alliances space, and pour out like plague. Kill the beachhead SBU, and cut them off before they take first station etc. Or professional WH corps that will be able to farm random areas of space.

This has the main benefit of improving space through adding more career options for the average null pilot. Without having to dedicate char/characters to living in a WH for that sort of income.

I would LOVE the ability to increase the spawn rate of Kspace-Kspace WH's.

It's nice to see we got past the "numbers will always matter, no matter what" remark. Of course, it's true and numbers should always matter, but while discussion usually stifle there and it doesn't say anything on it's own - it's past that where it gets interesting: How much should they matter?

While Gevlin was just throwing out a random example to get the ball rolling i think you should examine your reply again. Having Dreads spread around is nothing i particularily belive in either, but with whatever fault you can pick at it still exemplify one pretty important thing: no matter how a large alliance could hurt a small one under a system similar to that, it actually enable the small one to hurt the large one as well. If you think about it, that's slightly different from now - and that is the issue. At least he pokes at reciprocity. The resources to reasonably destroy POS and SBU/TCU today, are quite exclusive: it has a high bottom requirement and ontop of that bigger is better and more is better.

I remember talking to Seleene and Elise about that with regards to POCO - and while they have less hitpoints, it's still the same mechanic: it's hitpoints and timers, which have resulted in amassing specific resources for siege rather than capture-the-flag content for the gangs that naturally roam the area. If you can hit a POCO you can hit a small POS - it's redundant content. It's also comparable to pre- and post Dominion SOV. It's similar to old SOV, and while many belive that the current SOV is worse i think it's important we don't forget that the old SOV wasn't good.

You later get there yourself when you abstractly mention "make things achievable": The question is how?

I'm a fan of such novel ideas as "making losing an entire fleet impact you". Crazy novelty, i know .

The number one problem with the "Drake era" EVE is that numbers allow you to overcome having to use ships with an actual loss and pricetag attached to them (while lack of numbers force you to rely on them). You root in the financial bottom and build from there with numbers. It has completely over-tipped the balance between making ISK and losing ISK, as such it has tipped the balance between PvE and PvP, and through that the balance between activity and stand-by (which is why so many of us don't really play EVE as much, even though we play EVE - we create less content).

With that in mind, it's interesting to see CCP focus so much on new ships, re-balanced ships and better ships with little to no pricetag. When the issue with BC was adressed in 2011, you never expected them to try to solve it by adding more ships wih the same problem. If there is one place to start, that is definately it. When the issue with BC is adressed in 2012 we still seem to be looking at physical balance, not financial balance. We can get perfect physical balance and financial balance will still be an issue. It has been the primary issue of the two for years now - actual ship balance has not been that bad: it's just that prices have bottom-lined and some player-generated content have disappeared (there's not enough content where Harbies shine, they used to shine - nothing have changed ship-balance wise from then to now - it's all trend and generated content).

We can (and should-) discuss ways to let infra scale, to give smaller groups options to interact with larger groups' infrastructure - but being able or giving a reason to interact with their ships should definately hold priority. Ships first.

Finding ways to encourage interaction with starbases on one hand, is quite pointless if we discourage interaction between ships on the other hand.

The most severe and festering issue in EVE today is giving ships a reason to shoot each other when numbers are uneven. We want to encourage and reward PvP, but the current design direction still head toward risk adversity (making ships accessible to lose rather than rewarding to explode). Numbers is a balance issue that should get attention, but we should start looking at the clots rather than going straight for the heart. We can't design new checks rooted in numbers, we should look at the checks that exist and how they deal with scalability. That's where the problem lie. Numbers should be a factor but there are blood clots like "free ships" in this game that currently make that factor stop the natural flow - and make interacting between differing numbers pointless.

Other clots involve volume- or hitpoint-scaling (both ships and infra) where things like "hacking" (time-based scaling) actually have it's place - even if it doesn't necessarily have to involve Dreads. It involves finding flexible design that take that very thing, scalability, into account and provide multiple ways over different scales to interact with infra (aka. Farms and fields) or any mechanic in EVE instead of creating different mechanics for it, relocated to different areas of the game. It starts with ships, faucets and sinks though - that's the heart of EVE and it's in dire need of dialysis while the doctors still seem to poke around with aspirin.

"You have more than me" is not the issue as much as "you have more that you can't reasonably lose - or don't mind losing". Didn't want those anyway... have become reality.

Dedicated carebear wormholes should not be in the lower wormholes. If you only allow nullsec-nullsec ones, it doesn't really allow for space improvement, so much as invasion corridor only. If we assume for a moment that carebears want class 4+, or 3+ wh's, and limit it to those classes below that, it should solve that issue nicely.

Im interested in knowing when CCP is going to do a proper job of the rebalancing of the Drone Regions,

eg;
- giving the normal rats a proper drop tabel
- adding the Hidden/Forlorn/Forsaken variants of Anomalies
- balancing the DED complexes, with factions loot and all.

and if CCP is thinking about returning to (a form of) Drone Poo, since it lowers isk getting into the economy and solves the shortage of lowends in nullsec.

Linking to discussion thread

Currently 0.0 is missing some things:
*Soft targets and infrastructure for small groups to go after
*industry, 'farms and fields' to add value to individual systems, such that a large alliance actually has to live and work and defend each and every system they want to hold.
*methods for small groups to enjoy 0.0 as much as large ones

I think that when details on the new POS systems are introduced, they might alleviate some of these issues but it is overall definitely something that needs to be discussed. There needs to be a definitive vision for the future of 0.0 before any changes or new features are introduced. Throwing new features into the already damaged system will not fix it, merely compound the problems. I'd like to see players able to customize and improve their space to a huge degree. Mining outposts in asteroid belts to mine and process ore, solar harvesters collecting resources, defense turrets, shipyards, all sorts of cool infrastructure in space to try and hide, attack and protect. Things without millions of ehp that take fleets of dreadnaughts to attack.

There is definitely a scale imbalance in EVE.

Now before some goon comes in here and plasters on about how 'big groups should win against small groups', that is not what i'm talking about. Its all well and good that big fish eat little fish, but the biggest problem is that SOV taking and SOV warfare has such a high price tag for entry level work, that the only way 'new' 0.0 alliances form is by old ones dieing and some of the mid-level management starting a new one, and attracting all the same players to it. There's a base level of dreadnoughts and titans required for any legitimate sov-holding alliance. That's unacceptable. In the spirit of EVE, a group of new players who quickly specialize should be able to at least present a legitimate confrontation to another 0.0 alliance. Three things must be addressed

1) Sov warfare should scale from 20 men in battle cruisers on up. Currently to do sov warfare in a reasonable time-line you need at least 20 men in dreadnoughts, and that's just ridiculous. Sov Warfare should promote and encourage gang warfare (big or small, doesn't matter) right now there is no incentive for alliances to undock ships to fight a war. Most of the time they just call each other nasty names on the forums until one alliance fail-cascades from internal politics, and then the situation is capitalized on. Holding space needs to mean something, and require work and ISK. I feel that it should be difficult, and cost-ineffective for a single large entity to hold more space than a region. While I don't support artificial capping, right now, its not very difficult to control a region, and it hardly costs a dime compared to owning a single tech moon.

2) Income sources need to scale appropriately. Currently it is hardly more valuable to rat/mine/complex in 0.0 (with the exception of running radar sites) than it is to do other high-sec income sources. This ABSOLUTELY HAS TO CHANGE, since alliances don't loose ships, players do. Oh, and in the exploration realm, for the love of God, MAKE MAGNETOMETRIC SITES EXCITING AND FULL OF GOOD STUFF

3) Conflict drivers must exist to make alliances more interested in fighting each other. While I think making 0.0 sov scale up from 20 man bc gangs is a good start (since now a small force of raiders can disrupt people taking advantage of step 2) it won't provide the motivation for 4000 people to get off their asses, stop ganking freighters in highsec out of boredom, and actually go to war with each other.

You're the one that needs to check his facts mate. I can link you some relevant material if you'd like me to.