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How Good Is The Vigilant?
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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-12-01 19:46:44 UTC
I've flown some Thoraxes, and had some minor success. I see the Vigilant has some nice bonuses, but how hard is it to keep alive?
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#2 - 2012-12-01 19:54:32 UTC
Pretty hard considering its a blaster boat
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#3 - 2012-12-01 20:03:00 UTC
90% web, huge dps, 4th mid for a cap injector, and much higher base armor hp than a rax... The thing is an absolute frigate and cruiser pwning monster. Avoid static fights with larger ships like armor canes.
Fryhilda
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-01 20:04:18 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
huge dps, 4th mid for a cap injector, and much higher base armor hp than a rax... .


And then, tiericide happened.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#5 - 2012-12-01 20:15:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe
Fryhilda wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
huge dps, 4th mid for a cap injector, and much higher base armor hp than a rax... .


And then, tiericide happened.


It's hard to get double webs and a cap booster on the new rax... (and by hard i mean your dropping you're scram or mwd, aka lol)

You need to make the sacrifice of being more cap stable, or being able to actually fight close range afs. Vigilant does not need to make that choice. Vigilant again, has more hp, and far more dps. Vigi is far better than retribution rax.
eneman81
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-12-01 20:36:13 UTC
In terms of survivability there are some interesting x-large ASB fits that some people manage to use to good effect, truth be told however it would be alot cheaper to use a shield talos, and with the upcoming asb changes that style fit for the vig will become more obsolete.

But if you want to run it in a small ahac fleet with logistics it will fit in fine, just be sure not to skimp out on the tank.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#7 - 2012-12-02 07:26:08 UTC
I've also heard it has some capacitor issues, although I have no firsthand experience one way or the other.
Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-12-03 16:03:39 UTC
It's amazing. So don't fly one, ever, because you will be Primary. Believe me, i know about being primary, my first character's initials were A A.Cry
illirdor
Upper Class Goat
#9 - 2012-12-03 19:32:23 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Fryhilda wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
huge dps, 4th mid for a cap injector, and much higher base armor hp than a rax... .


And then, tiericide happened.


It's hard to get double webs and a cap booster on the new rax... (and by hard i mean your dropping you're scram or mwd, aka lol)

You need to make the sacrifice of being more cap stable, or being able to actually fight close range afs. Vigilant does not need to make that choice. Vigilant again, has more hp, and far more dps. Vigi is far better than retribution rax.


uhm how are you gonna get double web cap booster scram and a MWD on a vigi???

Soooo this is my sig.... 
Solutio Letum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-03 20:35:25 UTC
illirdor wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Fryhilda wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
huge dps, 4th mid for a cap injector, and much higher base armor hp than a rax... .


And then, tiericide happened.


It's hard to get double webs and a cap booster on the new rax... (and by hard i mean your dropping you're scram or mwd, aka lol)

You need to make the sacrifice of being more cap stable, or being able to actually fight close range afs. Vigilant does not need to make that choice. Vigilant again, has more hp, and far more dps. Vigi is far better than retribution rax.


uhm how are you gonna get double web cap booster scram and a MWD on a vigi???


using the 20%*5 web bonus? makes the webs 100% meaning its like dual web but better (without pens)
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#11 - 2012-12-04 00:25:39 UTC
illirdor wrote:

uhm how are you gonna get double web cap booster scram and a MWD on a vigi???


/facepalm
Harnath Boloskarl
Deep Space Search and Rescue Team
#12 - 2012-12-04 02:30:57 UTC
Solutio Letum wrote:
illirdor wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Fryhilda wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
huge dps, 4th mid for a cap injector, and much higher base armor hp than a rax... .


And then, tiericide happened.


It's hard to get double webs and a cap booster on the new rax... (and by hard i mean your dropping you're scram or mwd, aka lol)

You need to make the sacrifice of being more cap stable, or being able to actually fight close range afs. Vigilant does not need to make that choice. Vigilant again, has more hp, and far more dps. Vigi is far better than retribution rax.


uhm how are you gonna get double web cap booster scram and a MWD on a vigi???


using the 20%*5 web bonus? makes the webs 100% meaning its like dual web but better (without pens)


The bonus is applied as a multiplier, so the final velocity penalty with a 60% base (most webs) means a 90% final web strength. Dual webs means a 97.83% velocity loss on the target

The vigilant is an amazing ship, it can push over 800/ 900 DPS with neutrons and faction antimatter, nearly 900/1000 with void (before/ after heat, dual magstab). The web bonus means you have almost no reason to use a scram over a disruptor, especially if dual web; nothing gets away from a dual web vigilant without killing it or breaking the lock. Using a disruptor also allows your target to keep trying to MWD, burning cap and inflating sig, making it easier to hit. It's fairly quick, going about 1400m/s with MWD, and breaking 2Km/s if you overheat.

In terms of cap, it's not phenomenal, but you only need to run the MWD occasionally, or you can use a cap injected setup at the loss of the second web and some DPS due to needing to drop to Ions to fit it.

TL;DR It's an amazing ship, and eats frigates for lunch.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#13 - 2012-12-04 02:43:38 UTC
Harnath Boloskarl wrote:


In terms of cap, it's not phenomenal, but you only need to run the MWD occasionally, or you can use a cap injected setup at the loss of the second web and some DPS due to needing to drop to Ions to fit it.



Or just use a small t2 cap injector with navy 400s. Medium with 800s or 400s is overkill for a buffer setup.
Harnath Boloskarl
Deep Space Search and Rescue Team
#14 - 2012-12-04 03:23:32 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:


Or just use a small t2 cap injector with navy 400s. Medium with 800s or 400s is overkill for a buffer setup.


[Vigilant, Dual Web buffer]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5


At all level 5s, this fits with .5 PG, so you would either need a PG implant or Ion blasters to fit the cap booster. Even a micro won't fit.

The alternative would be to use an ACR instead of the third trimark, with lets you fit neutrons, a small cap booster and t2 plate instead of the meta 4. EHP loss is roughly 2k, down from 52k, with slight losses in speed and agility.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#15 - 2012-12-04 03:32:34 UTC
aye, 1% grid implant should be plenty, and cheap as well
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#16 - 2012-12-04 09:11:51 UTC
You dont really need 2 webs on a Vigilant, the only time that is going to be useful is if your are supporting tracking dreads.

Im a fan of the gang support shield fit myself.

[Vigilant, Vigilant]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Domination 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Fly with linked nano gangs, destroy all things that require speed to survive.

OP Success.
Alexander Aramis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-04 10:22:12 UTC
illirdor wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Fryhilda wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
huge dps, 4th mid for a cap injector, and much higher base armor hp than a rax... .


And then, tiericide happened.


It's hard to get double webs and a cap booster on the new rax... (and by hard i mean your dropping you're scram or mwd, aka lol)

You need to make the sacrifice of being more cap stable, or being able to actually fight close range afs. Vigilant does not need to make that choice. Vigilant again, has more hp, and far more dps. Vigi is far better than retribution rax.


uhm how are you gonna get double web cap booster scram and a MWD on a vigi???

Why isn't it possible to minus rep terrible posting like this?
Vixorz
Cabronazos
#18 - 2012-12-04 12:58:18 UTC
Excellent fits, thank you for the insight gentlemen. o7
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#19 - 2012-12-04 18:34:45 UTC
If solo, ASB with tracking enhancers and stay at range. Web bonus = no scram-tards AB'ing into you.

If in gang, shield extenders and no point, just a web and MWD.

The vagabond is a fast cruiser with a falloff bonus. So is the vigilant.

So who 1600 plates a vaga?