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Freighters to support mining ops?
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#1 - 2012-11-30 13:02:59 UTC
As per the 30th of November dev blog, Freighters will become able to jettison cargo and take cargo from jetcans. I don't remember when the dev blog said it would occur, so not necessarily on December 4th, but if not then soon'ish after that.

How will this affect mining ops?

My guess is; not much.

It'll cut down hauling a little, and the secondary assistant - the first assistent sitting in an Orca giving perma-bonus - can be a Freighter pilot instead of a secondary Orca pilot, so some new people can now contribute to mining ops, who before would have been limited to haulage in the 35k to 40k m3 range which means constant activity. With a 980k m3 Charon, or even a low-skill puny-cargo non-Caldari Freighter, the op hauler can spend most of the time AFK.

It's also noteworthy that the Freighters still can't fit any modules, so the Orca will have to do the jetcan tractoring for the Freighter.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-11-30 13:47:08 UTC
If someone brings a freighter into a belt, he'd better have his mining permit ready or it might just happen that he won't leave it again Lol

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#3 - 2012-11-30 13:48:35 UTC
No tractor beam = not useful for mining ops

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Rengerel en Distel
#4 - 2012-11-30 14:49:17 UTC
I suspect if people are willing to risk a freighter in a belt, they'll use it. Being able to leave the orca for boosts full time would be handy for smaller corp ops, or even just multiboxed grav sites or something.

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Dave Stark
#5 - 2012-11-30 16:08:02 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
No tractor beam = not useful for mining ops


your can is next to your ship, warp to member.
perfectly fine for mining ops.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#6 - 2012-11-30 16:23:16 UTC
For serious mining, I just don't see how it's useful without a tractor beam.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-11-30 16:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Fail2Read. my bad
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2012-11-30 16:30:36 UTC
THIS:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73995

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Isu Okaski
The Break Room
#9 - 2012-11-30 16:50:38 UTC
In the future it could be useful to have a freighter on grid. Keep in mind warfare links are changing and it is still uncertain whether mining links will change with the same mechanics.

If mining links are required to be on grid I could see a set up with an orca perma boosting and tractoring and a freighter hauling.
CataCourier
Gordon Industries
#10 - 2012-11-30 16:54:54 UTC
Think of it this way: if you're using a booster AND an orca to haul, you now get an extra miner with about 80% uptime. Orca pilot can mine away in a hulk, then once you fill up 30 cans of ore, go grab the freighter :)
Mathrin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-11-30 19:19:02 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Freighters have no cargo ports, so can only load and unload from a station or POS array. So it cant scoop from a jetcan.

dunno about from the ORCA CHA. Never thought about that.


If you don't keep on devblogs or read the first sentence of the OP why post? It has been announced that freighters will be able to scoop from jetcans in space.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-11-30 20:08:48 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
If someone brings a freighter into a belt, he'd better have his mining permit ready or it might just happen that he won't leave it again Lol


A freighter costs less then an Orca + mining foremen mindlink implant, and this is a pretty common setup for any mining op.

For ore mining I can't really see this being very useful. Sure if you have a mining op with 10 + miners you can easily keep your orca boosting in belt and just have a frighter sitting beside it scopping out of the corp hangar (if this is allowed now too) or have the orca tractor in and the freighter scoop up.

But with ice mining? Man, that is going to be pretty nice. The level of laziness this will offer is amazing. You'll be able to go like 5 hours without having to do anything besides drag from mackinaw to a jetcan with 1 ammo in it (to keep it spawned in place) and then drag from jetcan to freighter.

20 Mackinaws sitting around a freighter getting orca boosts will fill up the frighter every 40 minutes, and only requiring you to drag / drop ice to a jetcan every what, 28 minutes? This will also yield around 170m isk/hour. Every 20 minutes drag / drop. every 40 minutes, haul to station, fly back to belt.

The big multi boxing miners are going to love this. Bots even more.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2012-11-30 20:15:43 UTC
Impractical.

Freighters are too easily ganked. Too slow to warp. A gank camp of 10 ships shows up and there is no hope of escape period.

Bad, bad idea. And if you see Icers using one.....please go for it. PLEASE.

I hate Boxers and Botters.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#14 - 2012-11-30 21:04:29 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Impractical.

Freighters are too easily ganked. Too slow to warp. A gank camp of 10 ships shows up and there is no hope of escape period.

Bad, bad idea. And if you see Icers using one.....please go for it. PLEASE.

I hate Boxers and Botters.


Pretty expensive gank for no return except possibly an ice load?
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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-11-30 21:17:32 UTC
Having re-read though the dev blog it would seem everyone (including myself) missed this very important line in the dev blog.

Quote:
Freighters and jump freighters have been upgraded with a jettison tube and can freely jettison, scoop and move items between containers. They are still not able to load or scoop assembled containers into their cargo hold, except freight containers.


So they cannot scoop up "assembled containers" (not sure if jet cans fall into this category or not) but they CAN jettison a freighter container, which according to the wiki General Freight Container is 120,000m3 containers.

So a freighter can fly out the mining op (ice or ore) unload a few 120,000m3 containers and warp out. Once they are full it flies back in and scoops them up.

And yes obviously you have to worry about can flippers (27,500m3 every 2 minutes) but this is only an issue if you mine where this type of thing is a problem. The ability to lay out 850,000m3 + of cans to mine into is going to make big mining ops very interesting.
notha atfast
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-11-30 21:54:03 UTC
Can Flipping? not with the new Criminal flags. That criminal would be fair game to all the pilots there. A frig flipping a can could get munched by all the drones a fleets of miners could throw at him. 10 miners...50 hob2's. bye bye flipper.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2012-11-30 23:09:00 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Impractical.

Freighters are too easily ganked. Too slow to warp. A gank camp of 10 ships shows up and there is no hope of escape period.

Bad, bad idea. And if you see Icers using one.....please go for it. PLEASE.

I hate Boxers and Botters.


Pretty expensive gank for no return except possibly an ice load?


True indeed. But SOMEone will enjoy doing it anyway Smile

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stoicfaux
#18 - 2012-12-01 00:16:50 UTC
notha atfast wrote:
Can Flipping? not with the new Criminal flags. That criminal would be fair game to all the pilots there. A frig flipping a can could get munched by all the drones a fleets of miners could throw at him. 10 miners...50 hob2's. bye bye flipper.

Yes, but there's always Someone(tm) who doesn't get the memo about the new TPS report covers. So we should have an amusing first few weeks.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2012-12-01 00:31:49 UTC
I'll get un-lazy here soon and make a SOMEone(tm) for real Smile

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Bubba Hightower
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-12-01 00:54:53 UTC
The wording is odd in the patch notes, is a freighter now able to access another ship's corp hangar out in space?
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