Science & Industry

This can be very tricky in high sec as you need 6000 units per hour of P0 per P1 factory. You need to keep in mind it is not just the ECU you have to run. but there is extra demand for each head the ECU has out. Some planets this is possible, but usually you will have to drop down to:

1 x Launchpad
2 x ECU
2 x Basic Processing Facility
1 x Advanced Processing Facility

In order to have enough capacity for extractor heads to keep up with the 6000 units per hour. It is very difficult to pull in 12000 units per hour from each ECU and have enough power grid for 4 basic and two advanced factories. You will need CC5 to pull this off on most high sec planets.

Do it in Low Sec and you'll be fine.

That setup in High will be extremely low output even with Com Center V.

All of my accounts that extract PI materials only have CC IV (50 planets) and do P2 production and about 1/2 of them.

Do not waste your time trying to use 2 ECU's, all that you will do is negatively impact both material extractions and your ability to reach higher yield material spots (and hot spots) on the planet.

There is only one time you should ever have 2 ECU's on a planet, and that is when you have the available power after setting up your first ECU (with 10 heads), and have enough processors for the material that is output. Generally speaking the only time I will ever use a second ECU for example is on some lava planets that have no silo, 4 - 6 processors and have enough power to setup a second ECU (normally with only 2 heads after maxing power), and even then I set it directly beside the first ECU and extract the same material (or by my silo/processors if there is a descent spot requiring nearly no link cost).

Instead what you want to do is run several day cycles for each P1 material, and then switch to the 2nd P1 material.

Not only will you be able to extract much higher amounts of P1, but the additional power will allow you to place more processors ((both basic and advanced).

Here is why this is a much better solution.

Your setup.
Extracting P0 at 12,000 per hour making 80 units per hour of P1 1 of 2.
Extracting P0 at 12,000 per hour making 80 units per hour of P1 2 of 2.
manufacturing 5 units of P2 material.

6 days, 24 hour cycles will yield:
0 units of P1 1 of 2
0 units of P1 2 of 2
720 units of P2


3 day cycling of P0 extraction and P1 manufacturing
Day 1 - 3 extracting P0 at 36,000 per hour making 240 units per hour of P1 1 of 2
Day 4 - 6 extracting P0 at 36,000 per hour making 240 units per hour of P1 2 of 2
manufacturing of 10 unites of P2 material, with enough material for an additional 5 (assuming only 2 advanced factories).

6 days, 24 hour cycles will yield:
5760 units of P1 1 of 2
5760 units of P1 2 of 2
1440 units of P2


Because on the initial 1 - 3 days you don't have both P1 materials you will have 3 days without P2 production. But once you start the 2nd cycle you will have enough of both P1's to have continual 24 hour P2 manufacturing. In fact you will have so much left over material you can export the additional materials, or place a 3rd factory (which is paid off after 5 hours from the P2 it makes).


Now naturally with this setup you might have to run an ECU for 5 days, sometimes 1 day, it depends on what you're extracting, planet type / size / number of other players, sec status, etc. But it is very simple to have a constant 24 hours of P2 manufacturing.

Why is this setup better?
Requires less maintenance and time then the 2 ECU's setups.
You can easily double your yields and T2 manufacturing
Lots of additional power grid available allowing you to reach further materials on planet
Generates you a ton of additional isk.
Does not require CCV to do.
By doing 1 material at a time and cycling every few days you will naturally cause the planet to contiguously create hot spots and replenish the precious material you were extracting.


And finally, the best skill you can train to help your planets is Advanced planetlogy IV, which requires planetlogy V. These will dramatically increase the accuracy of the data (colors) displayed when surveying a planet for materials, and removes more deviation of how accurate what you are seeing compared to where the materials actually are. It also displays more hot spots, which may not be visible to other players on your planet.

Extracting high value resources like prec. metals in high sec is rarely effective.
So I would consider to extract the abundant resource and buy and import the rare.

Hi,

I Find there are some P1s can make more profit Than P2s, Is that right?

So I am curious why there are so many people still making P2s.

CC Upgrades to level 5, this is what I do across all of my PI :

1 x Launchpad
2 x ECU (4 heads each)
8 x Basic Processing Facility
2 x Advanced Processing Facility

Doing PI in High sec is a joke. Between the crap planets and the taxes, you loose enough to hate having to even manage this. Null or low sec (or WH) is the only place I would even consider doing PI. Better planets and you can install your own POCO's.

I mange extractions to keep everything running. If I had control of several planets I might overproduce the p1 and throw it on a factory planet.


Conar 07

P2 is compressed more so less hauling.

My only comments would be to ignore the single-planet stuff, since you'll be limiting yourself on production/profit. It's easy to get to 5 planets, and you can easily do (for example) a Robotics production in a single system, generating a decent amount of isk for your trouble (unless you plan to use for manufacturing/POS). I have two toons generating enough Robotics for large POS fuel and production of T2 modules monthly to keep me happy. Other toons generate other fuel and manufacturing products as needed.

Ignoring PI is useful advice only if station or gate camping is your idea of seriously good timez.

One of the best things with PI is that you can make some pretty descent isk with minimal effort. But it can also be a huge time sink if you do not watch out. You can spend 5 minutes a day on your planets or spend 30 minutes on them each day to increase your daily yields. This is something you should always consider and something I point out to all the people I've helped with PI. You need to juggle between higher yields per day vs less yield and time, which is very important when you consider the isk/hour you are generating.

That being said, with the numbers I listed above you can see the staggered single extraction setup will yield more over time. The reason it requires less maintenance is because when using a dual extractor setup you have 2x the number of extractor control units you will need to re-position as the materials are extracted at relocate around the planet. It also means that each day when you restart each ECU you need to check each extractor, see how much each one will be extracting, re-position each ECU extractor heads for more or less of each material type so you are maintaining the yields needed for your factories and even then if your planetlogy skills are low the deviation of the materials may be increasingly far off and you'll need to wait, re-stop / re-position and restart the ECU(s) and re-check the values.

For example here are the steps for 1 ECU setup
1. Scan for material, find position.
2. Place ECU, set link (save)
3. Set heads
4. Route (save).
5. And you're done, move on to the next planet.

For 2 ECU setup
1. Scan material 1, find position
2. Place ECU 1, set link (save)
3. Scan material 2, find position
4. Place ECU, set link (save)
5. Check power/CPU and verify how many extractor heads you can setup.
6. Place 5 extractor heads for ECU 1, position, write down value
7. Place 5 extractor heads for ECU 2, position, write down value
8. "do maths" to determine how many extractor heads you will need for each ECU.
9. Place ECU 1 extracor heads, confirm values, do math (save).
10. Route ECU 1 (save).
11. Place ECU 2 extracor heads, confirm values, do math (save).
12. Route ECU 2 (save).
13. Re-postion heads if needed.
14. And you're done. Move on to the next planet.

And for the daily maintenance for an 1 ECU setup.
1. Double click ECU (opens ECU control window).
2. Re-position if needed, or re-position heads.
3. Save, move to next planet.

Now if you have enough P1 materials saved up and want to switch to the second P2.
Follow steps 1 - 4 above.
5. Set basic factories for the new material.
6. Save and you're done (because all the P1 material routes will already be saved for the P2 advanced factories).

And finally if you are maintaining a 2 ECU setup
1. Double click ECU 1, view numbers, do math.
2. Double click ECU 2, view numbers, do match.
3. Re-position ECU 1 if needed.
4. Re-position ECU 2 if needed.
5. Move ECU 1 heads around based on new values.
6. Move ECU 2 heads around based on new values.
7. Confirm numbers are correct after save.
8 Wait and re-position heads to match factory requirements.

So as you can see there is far more work involved with 2 ECU's, with much less returns. More work, less isk.

There are ways to get a decent ISK per hour with P1 only, with 2 days cycles, even in hi sec.

It involves finding the right planets (most suck but some are AS good as the low sec average), the right region and knowing what stuff is needed and knowing that some times 3 times the quantity yields more than an apparently higher ISK per unit for lower quantities.

Currently managing 88 planets but can burst to 103 if needed.