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Black Ops - why not warp cloaked?
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Napoleon Baleine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-11-29 04:18:39 UTC
What is the main argument against letting these ships warp while cloaked? Would it be such a big deal? :/
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#2 - 2012-11-29 04:22:47 UTC
Because you want your opponents to truly poop themselves when they see a few blops on scan, knowing that the closely portion must be in tow Twisted . Also, it would get crazy because you'd had blops warping in at 0, uncloaking, opening the can of whoopass, and then leaving.

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fukier
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-29 05:01:12 UTC
it would be cool if blops could mjd cloaked....
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#4 - 2012-11-29 05:40:30 UTC
Napoleon Baleine wrote:
What is the main argument against letting these ships warp while cloaked? Would it be such a big deal? :/

Let's start with arguments FOR it. I have never heard any. "Because I want my B/O to warp cloaked" is not an argument. I want my Abso to deal 2000 DPS, so what?

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Napoleon Baleine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-11-29 05:44:50 UTC
I want to warp cloaked so I can have a cloaky BS capable of solo nullsec exploration :D (I don't have tengu skills yet).
Gingerlord
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-29 08:21:15 UTC
If you get a covert cyno scanning alt you can park the blops safe and when you find a good site, cyno in.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#7 - 2012-11-29 08:46:49 UTC
I find that being uncloaked in warp is terrible, all that lack of being able to be intereacted with [other then bubbles] is so scary... and when I come out, and have 30 seconds [usually] to click the move and then cloak button.... it's nerve racking... ok maybe not.

I think the issue is this - newer to this concept of B/O you think it's a big C/O ship it should be like that with a butt-load of hurt... but then you find out it can't use the C/O cloak... bummer... this all before you fly one... then if you ever do fly one you realize it doesn't need it, doesn't make it better, doesn't do anything, but it does seem to steal the whole point of a cyno C/O ship then... they would be pointless almost...

The idea I think is this, team work - few things in EVE seem to be still dependent on team-work, at least game mech wise... that isn't being chipped at towards more solo play - mining for instance just got [and I am not complaining at all, since I solo mine] a big move to solo play, what we need is more move towards you have to have someone else with you to make it work best [well other than mining, since miners are a paranoid reculsive hermit cave dwelling survivalist belt-dwelling ore munching freaks... but useful]; nah B/Os don't need them, the C/O ship need something to do in game, they are bloody useless in just about everything else but a cyno beacon.
ilammy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-11-29 09:04:51 UTC
You tackle things. You light a covert cyno. BO ships jumping in. Big scary blue jump stuff, instalock of the BOs, your target dies. The BOs appear on top of the victim instantaneously! They even don't need to be in the system! That's much better than a cloaked warp.
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
#9 - 2012-11-29 18:04:31 UTC
ccp cant do anything on this matter. its the eve universe physics that dont allow such huge masses to warp cloaked
Solutio Letum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-11-29 21:57:42 UTC
Alberik wrote:
ccp cant do anything on this matter. its the eve universe physics that dont allow such huge masses to warp cloaked


lols, if thats true im sorry but this was a good one xD

ok well id love to see this happen but thats the only reason to keep covert jump briges really, they are only there to jump into a close system on top of what they want without anyproblems, hell even gets you around faster... and if you wanna solo in a Blackops ships PvE in null you are CRAZY... you know that bubbles also catch these ships rigth? and that even if you cloak anyone has a couple seconds to get on top of you, any fast frigs would get 2 km and scram you without problems.....
ilammy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-11-29 22:37:33 UTC
Alberik wrote:
ccp cant do anything on this matter. its the eve universe physics that dont allow such huge masses to warp cloaked
LIAR!

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Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
#12 - 2012-11-29 22:39:16 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Napoleon Baleine wrote:
What is the main argument against letting these ships warp while cloaked? Would it be such a big deal? :/

Let's start with arguments FOR it. I have never heard any. "Because I want my B/O to warp cloaked" is not an argument. I want my Abso to deal 2000 DPS, so what?


Because it costs 700 million isk and since the tech 3 ''jack-of-all-trades'' ships can warp around the place cloaked then surely a specialist covert ops ship should be able to?
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2012-11-29 23:23:24 UTC
Gneeznow wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Napoleon Baleine wrote:
What is the main argument against letting these ships warp while cloaked? Would it be such a big deal? :/

Let's start with arguments FOR it. I have never heard any. "Because I want my B/O to warp cloaked" is not an argument. I want my Abso to deal 2000 DPS, so what?


Because it costs 700 million isk and since the tech 3 ''jack-of-all-trades'' ships can warp around the place cloaked then surely a specialist covert ops ship should be able to?


yes they can - provided you gimp your combat effectiveness by usng a mediocre in combat subsystem on it.

Black ops dont have to do that hence should not be allowed to warp cloaked.

And before you carry on qqing about it show me any current ship that can warp cloaked and have anything like the combat potential of a black ops.

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Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-11-30 00:00:11 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Gneeznow wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Napoleon Baleine wrote:
What is the main argument against letting these ships warp while cloaked? Would it be such a big deal? :/

Let's start with arguments FOR it. I have never heard any. "Because I want my B/O to warp cloaked" is not an argument. I want my Abso to deal 2000 DPS, so what?


Because it costs 700 million isk and since the tech 3 ''jack-of-all-trades'' ships can warp around the place cloaked then surely a specialist covert ops ship should be able to?


yes they can - provided you gimp your combat effectiveness by usng a mediocre in combat subsystem on it.

Black ops dont have to do that hence should not be allowed to warp cloaked.

And before you carry on qqing about it show me any current ship that can warp cloaked and have anything like the combat potential of a black ops.

Wait a sec, BO has combat potential??? Did i miss their buff or something?
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-11-30 03:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Dorian Wylde
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Napoleon Baleine wrote:
What is the main argument against letting these ships warp while cloaked? Would it be such a big deal? :/

Let's start with arguments FOR it. I have never heard any. "Because I want my B/O to warp cloaked" is not an argument. I want my Abso to deal 2000 DPS, so what?



1. So you can keep up with every other ship in the black ops gang, instead of having a several hundred million isk jump portal.

2. So you can get rid of the cloaked velocity bonus, and give them a combat bonus instead so they can be used in combat, instead of having a several hundred million isk jump portal.

3. Let's hear some ACTUAL arguments against it, aside from "giving everything a cov ops cloak is lazy balancing"
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#16 - 2012-11-30 04:55:33 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Napoleon Baleine wrote:
What is the main argument against letting these ships warp while cloaked? Would it be such a big deal? :/

Let's start with arguments FOR it. I have never heard any. "Because I want my B/O to warp cloaked" is not an argument. I want my Abso to deal 2000 DPS, so what?



1. So you can keep up with every other ship in the black ops gang, instead of having a several hundred million isk jump portal.

2. So you can get rid of the cloaked velocity bonus, and give them a combat bonus instead so they can be used in combat, instead of having a several hundred million isk jump portal.

3. Let's hear some ACTUAL arguments against it, aside from "giving everything a cov ops cloak is lazy balancing"

Not to mention it's a pain when you warp the BOps on grid and it uncloaks half your gang... Even when you take great care with this it happends sometimes.

The BOps does have combat bonuses if you look at them, but they're not very easy to keep alive unless you can bring ECM to keep them safe, which seems stupid that you have to bring one thing to use the other with such a ship.

I agree that replacing the cloaked velocity with a cov ops cloak would be worth it. Would actually move slower with the cov ops cloak actually, and make the ship a proper cloaky like its intended use would suggest.

Not much of a surprise in warping a BOps on grid either, you can see them exit warp and have time to gtfo unless already tackled. Making it a MUST to covdrop it in their face seems to limit the usefulness of the ship greatly.
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-11-30 10:22:32 UTC
Gneeznow wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Napoleon Baleine wrote:
What is the main argument against letting these ships warp while cloaked? Would it be such a big deal? :/

Let's start with arguments FOR it. I have never heard any. "Because I want my B/O to warp cloaked" is not an argument. I want my Abso to deal 2000 DPS, so what?


Because it costs 700 million isk and since the tech 3 ''jack-of-all-trades'' ships can warp around the place cloaked then surely a specialist covert ops ship should be able to?



This.
Escomboli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-11-30 18:23:55 UTC
CCP already stated that Blops were due for a major overhaul "soon".


From what I remember reading they will be broken into two separate ships. One will be more of a support, and one more of a dps. One will have bridging, one will not. This is about all the info they gave on the subject.

Blops are in desperate need of some good buffs though. They have been for years. They are basically an expensive, super skill intensive jump bridge for cov-ops. That is it.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-11-30 19:46:42 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:

Not to mention it's a pain when you warp the BOps on grid and it uncloaks half your gang... Even when you take great care with this it happends sometimes.

The BOps does have combat bonuses if you look at them, but they're not very easy to keep alive unless you can bring ECM to keep them safe, which seems stupid that you have to bring one thing to use the other with such a ship.

I agree that replacing the cloaked velocity with a cov ops cloak would be worth it. Would actually move slower with the cov ops cloak actually, and make the ship a proper cloaky like its intended use would suggest.

Not much of a surprise in warping a BOps on grid either, you can see them exit warp and have time to gtfo unless already tackled. Making it a MUST to covdrop it in their face seems to limit the usefulness of the ship greatly.



I know they do have some, but it's that 4th bonus that irks me. Covert ops cloak does 2 things: lets you move at full speed, and lets you warp. That bonus is giving you one of those things. What is the point in not just giving it the other?

It doesn't even have to be a DPS bonus. One of the biggest complaints I see is the fuel usage. Make that 4th bonus a reduction in fuel costs. Just something besides what you can give it with a module type that it's already fitting anyway.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-11-30 23:00:09 UTC
Napoleon Baleine wrote:
What is the main argument against letting these ships warp while cloaked? Would it be such a big deal? :/



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