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67 year old retired sub captain angry letter to son and daughters

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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#1 - 2012-11-29 20:55:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
Woa, talk about a brutal and demolishing honesty attack

I read the letter entirely, and I am at the age stage of my life (nearing 40) where I truly wish I had listened to my parents or taken more advantage of their offers for foreign education for instance, or listening to them regarding career choices.

But like most things in life such things come with experience, experience that comes usually too late after it is worth anything at all in your life, and all you can do is pass it to someone else.

In a sense I can totally understand the angry man writing that letter. I have felt the same seeing the train wreck some relatives and close friends embarked upon when I was seeing the choices they were making. Even to this day I still see some friends struggling with horrendous life choices they took, and if they had taken a bit of advice, they would be different, or perhaps, just happier.

Like a former friend of mine once told me "its like watching a beautiful cruise ship, slowly sink, and you, on the shore, far away unable to do anything, anything at all, Im sorry, but I cant stand this".

Life choices, partner choices, job choices ... we taking choices all the time, and most of them not the best ones, based on whim. Choice is such an important topic for me, I have even given lectures for free regarding it to young teens in school close to graduation.

Choice.

I see no fault in the father. He just spoke bluntly and directly from the heart, and honesty is in my book a precious commodity I see more and more scarce around me as I grow older and live 8 hours a day , 5 days a week in the working world, detached from the world placed head on into a strange place, where people cant be honest about anything.

Anyway, wished to share this. Life decisions, a topic so vast and convoluted, yet interesting.

Have a Happy Day!

Cheers!

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2012-11-29 22:54:04 UTC
That letter was harsh, and from what I can gather, deservingly so. There comes a time when even the most calm and collected person needs to vent, and that man did it spectacularly and oh look...without rage fueled capslocked keyboard pounding!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Borascus
#3 - 2012-11-29 23:23:45 UTC
It's easier to join the funtime crowd when young, this alone is the biggest risk to career progression, other than the guy that stands shoulder-to-shoulder with you until an opportunity to make you look bad makes him/her look good.
Lina Alar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-11-29 23:33:53 UTC
Dear Kids,

HTFU.

Love,
Dad

An explanation of Eve socialization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTbgvYPVdXE

Lick with your main™

Holy One
Privat Party
#5 - 2012-11-29 23:52:02 UTC
He sounds like a typical overbearing, unsympathetic parent who typically blame their kids for not turning out amazing because they were either a) working all the time or b) unsupportive/unloving. As a parent myself, with less than stellar parents of my own, I'm pretty damn sure the buck stops with me if my kids turn out to be scrublords. Lol

:)

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#6 - 2012-11-29 23:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Quote:
‘It is obvious that none of you has the faintest notion of the bitter disappointment each of you has in your own way dished out to us.’

Bemoaning his children’s broken marriages


Sounds like selfish egoism to me.

If he only had kids to be some kind of accessory to himself he could show off, then he had kids for the wrong reason.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-11-29 23:57:07 UTC
Guess he should've just hit them harder

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Sturmwolke
#8 - 2012-11-30 07:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Sturmwolke
Read that one days back. I can certainly understand and sympathize the disappointment he displayed ... but I cannot help but wonder if he (plus wife) had any hand in shaping what was to follow.
Certainly, not all the blame lies with the children and that letter barely acknowledges any self examination of parental faults (with just a single word, "misguidedly").

Shaming (by publishing in daily news) and creating bad blood with his children won't make things better, regardless of what they had become and that negativity will most likely infect the entire family down the line. It looks like he's abandoned all hope and is burning bridges out of frustration, not an intelligent response to the situation by far. He should've handled this more tactfully and lead through by setting examples without directly antagonizing/patronizing the people he wanted to fix - though this depends on how malleable they are. It all boils down to early parental shaping.

I have a (40+yr old) friend who works 24/7, someone that I would consider a workaholic. This guy is a typical intelligent go-getter with a must win mindset, married and have a few small kids. Recently, he mentioned that he was "retiring", I was a bit surprised and taken aback. Turns out, "retiring" in his dictionary meant less hours and spending more time with the kids. I guess he finally realizes what's the most important thing in life - and acted before it was too late Smile Good for him!
Opera Noir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-11-30 08:23:13 UTC
People actually admire a self serving, silly letter like that? If this is an example of his parenting skills it's no wonder his children turned out to be disappointing to him. Writing a letter to a public forum, a letter that shows no regard to any of his children as individuals and that makes no actual points except to say that they are failures, is not honest, or moving, or helpful in the the slightest. The man's a jackass.

If you had children and they did something bad in school, would your response be to wait until an assembly, run up on stage and then proceed to embarrass the child relentlessly? Yeah that's love right there, I mean, if you're a narcissist.
Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#10 - 2012-11-30 14:27:36 UTC
I can understand him, if all the calls his wife gets are the kids whining about their life.
I can totally understand why he finally explodes..
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#11 - 2012-11-30 15:34:17 UTC
Why... in the ****... is THIS news...

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#12 - 2012-11-30 21:03:47 UTC
Rana Ash wrote:
I can understand him, if all the calls his wife gets are the kids whining about their life.


Just because they mention unfortunate things that are going on in their lives doesn't mean they're whining. The alternative is to keep it all a secret, which would probably make them madder.

If the parents aren't interested in hearing any of it, they should just stop calling them. Which is probably exactly what is going to happen now. If he thought hearing bad news from his kids was bad, how about never hearing from his kids again?

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Lina Alar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-11-30 21:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lina Alar
Bane Necran wrote:
Rana Ash wrote:
I can understand him, if all the calls his wife gets are the kids whining about their life.


Just because they mention unfortunate things that are going on in their lives doesn't mean they're whining. The alternative is to keep it all a secret, which would probably make them madder.

If the parents aren't interested in hearing any of it, they should just stop calling them. Which is probably exactly what is going to happen now. If he thought hearing bad news from his kids was bad, how about never hearing from his kids again?

If they're doing it everyday, only complaining, only bemoaning the injustice and personal failure every phone call, then they are literally injuring their mother. Who's supposed to look out for the feelings and mental health of that mother? Her husband.

The kids are grown up, they're in their forties for goodness' sake. The job of protecting and aiding their children to mature may have been poor, but it is over. As grandparents, their job is to help balance out the raising of their grandchildren. Kids should get discipline, love, encouragement, and candy. The candy is where the grandparents come in. (Yes that's a metaphor.)

Was Dad right to do what he did? Yes. Did he have to do it as a result of his own failures as parent? Probably. It was still the right thing to do, to protect his wife.

An explanation of Eve socialization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTbgvYPVdXE

Lick with your main™

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#14 - 2012-11-30 22:52:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Lina Alar wrote:
It was still the right thing to do, to protect his wife.


I wouldn't be so sure about that.

One of the first signs of the mental decline of my own aging parents was their victim complexes. Everyone from the mayor to the neighbors on all sides is supposedly directly responsible for their unhappiness, and every innocuous little thing they do i hear about in great length.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-11-30 23:15:12 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Lina Alar wrote:
It was still the right thing to do, to protect his wife.


I wouldn't be so sure about that.

One of the first signs of the mental decline of my own aging parents was their victim complexes. Everyone from the mayor to the neighbors on all sides is supposedly directly responsible for their unhappiness, and every innocuous little thing they do i hear about in great length.


Maybe they were Straight

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#16 - 2012-11-30 23:20:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Maybe they were Straight


Yeah, i was on their side starting out, but it wears thin after awhile. Now i just humor them because not agreeing makes them mad.

"yes. that guy putting a rusty utility trailer on the edge of his property next to his barn was clearly done just to upset you" Roll

There's never been any feuds or anything between them. They just inexplicably want to believe these things.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-11-30 23:47:22 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Maybe they were Straight


Yeah, i was on their side starting out, but it wears thin after awhile. Now i just humor them because not agreeing makes them mad.

"yes. that guy putting a rusty utility trailer on the edge of his property next to his barn was clearly done just to upset you" Roll

There's never been any feuds or anything between them. They just inexplicably want to believe these things.


Can't wait till I go senile, it'll be great (for everyone that can remember later)

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Blue Binary
Polychoron
#18 - 2012-12-01 01:05:56 UTC
After reading the article and the letter I can sympathise with his position, but he is making himself unhappy with...

  • Bitterness that he has made sacrifices in his life (e.g. trapped in his career) to put his kids through a good education.

  • Guilt from his hands off approach to his children's upbringing. He did the opposite of his parents style of upbringing.

  • Anxious and worried for his grandchildren's future and his wife's mental state.

  • Perceived humiliation from the social pressures of his relatives/neighbours children succeeding.

  • Frustrated that his kids are not living up to his expectations.

If his anger and frustration were kept inside he would likely descend into a spiral of depression. He needed a release of his anger and frustration. It's good that he wrote out and clarified his thoughts, but it may have been unwise to send it to his kids.

But can you imagine what it would be like for them knowing what their father thinks of them when they are in his presence. He has passed on to his children the negative feelings that have been burdening him.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#19 - 2012-12-01 07:10:03 UTC
Blue Binary wrote:
If his anger and frustration were kept inside he would likely descend into a spiral of depression. He needed a release of his anger and frustration. It's good that he wrote out and clarified his thoughts, but it may have been unwise to send it to his kids.

But can you imagine what it would be like for them knowing what their father thinks of them when they are in his presence. He has passed on to his children the negative feelings that have been burdening him.


I think depression has already been in play for awhile, and he's only made things worse by doing this.

Also have a strong suspicion alcohol played a role in it being written, and if that's the case, i'm sure he regrets it now instead of feeling relieved. If they're lucky the entire thing will serve as a catalyst to bring them closer together, but more likely the family is just shattered beyond hope.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Shalia Ripper
#20 - 2012-12-01 13:21:18 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
Why... in the ****... is THIS news...



No kidding. A self respecting family would deal with this amongst themselves. They would not blab it to the media in hope of getting attention.

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