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Is the universe too big?
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ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-11-29 18:55:46 UTC
Of course the universe is big when the big bang went off it was not a 10c chinese cracker going off Blink

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Noriko Mai
#22 - 2012-11-29 18:59:58 UTC
It's far too small. There are solarsystems with more than one pilot in local.

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Hai Boiz
Jack Daniels Elite Squadron
Fraternity.
#23 - 2012-11-29 19:12:30 UTC
ctx2007 wrote:
Of course the universe is big when the big bang went off it was not a 10c chinese cracker going off Blink


It will start getting smaller once the zero point theory becomes fashionable again.

XX
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#24 - 2012-11-29 19:19:22 UTC
Surely you mean the New Eden Galaxy, because we don't have access to the rest of the Universe.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-11-29 19:23:42 UTC
Your equations for this are entirely wrong...let me shed some light on this for you.

The real equation is rather simple. Travel 50 jumps from Jita to any solar system of your choice in any direction in as much of a straight line as possible. Make note of all the people you see in local during your trip. The time of day in which you make this trip does not matter. Once at your destination, tally up all the people you saw in local? If the number is greater than 0 then the EVE universe is too small. If the number is 0 not including yourself then the EVE universe is too big.

Please feel free to post up your findings. Thank you.

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Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-11-29 19:40:36 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
It's far too small. There are solarsystems with more than one pilot in local.


Well, null is often fairly empty because it is far to easy for bigger organizations to flex their muscle over far to big of an area.

Lower mobility so one can't defend such large areas, the more crowded those areas will get.
Rossy Ocifer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-11-29 19:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rossy Ocifer
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Your equations for this are entirely wrong...let me shed some light on this for you.

The real equation is rather simple. Travel 50 jumps from Jita to any solar system of your choice in any direction in as much of a straight line as possible. Make note of all the people you see in local during your trip. The time of day in which you make this trip does not matter. Once at your destination, tally up all the people you saw in local? If the number is greater than 0 then the EVE universe is too small. If the number is 0 not including yourself then the EVE universe is too big.

Please feel free to post up your findings. Thank you.



how does this make any sense at all? if you travel 50 jumps and see no one. its too big. if you travel 50 jumps and see one person, its too small?

so how do we know if its the right size?
Kobal81
HR..
#28 - 2012-11-29 20:27:19 UTC
No, now back to you go on the short yellow school bus........

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Sara Mars
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-11-29 20:33:15 UTC
is it just me or does everyone posting on GD fall out of the stupid tree hitting every branch on the way down...
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#30 - 2012-11-29 20:38:30 UTC
Sara Mars wrote:
is it just me or does everyone posting on GD fall out of the stupid tree hitting every branch on the way down...



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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-11-29 20:46:44 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
I cant see this working as intended, i think null needs more space and maybe a better distribution of good isk areas. Low sec needs more valuable sites to run and better mining prospects and high sec needs reduced mining possibilities and less mission income. There you go i fixed it.

Don't think null needs more space, while a large portion of it isn't even being utilized.

No one plays in a system that has nothing to play with.

Null sec PvE isn't quite as abundant as high sec. Not every high sec system is mined, some don't even get used for missions.
Not every null sec belt will get mined (which i do believe that corps have to pay to make the belts worth mining to begin with), and there are no missions.

What do you do in a crappy high sec system that has no worthwhile missions, no worrthwhile belts, and no anoms or whatever to do? Usually nothing. That's null sec.


I love ideas based off what people read on the forums. They're much better than ideas based off of actual experience from playing the game.
Idris Maelfa
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#32 - 2012-11-29 20:50:45 UTC
I've recently moved to LoSec from HiSec because of the inane chattering and childish nonsense polluting Local.

It's nice to go into areas where I can think and be more or less alone without having swarms of idiots venting off on Local. Here in LoSec, when you find someone who doesn't appear to be wanting to kill you (but appearances can be deceptive) then there's time for good conversations and to explore, roam and to stretch one's wings.

If there is one complaint that I have with LoSec is that I didn't go there sooner.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-11-29 21:28:13 UTC
Sara Mars wrote:
is it just me or does everyone posting on GD fall out of the stupid tree hitting every branch on the way down...

Every time someone suggests that Eve players are smarter than the players of other games, I show them GD.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Oopsy Bear
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-11-30 00:25:04 UTC
FoxBird Freir wrote:
The main rant being that high sec is too rewarding and safe while low and null isn't rewarding enough and low sec being useless (apart from factional warefare).

To me the main reason this is happening is simply the enourmus amount of star systems out there, many of which are empty causeing a targetpoor environment with little real purpose.


The universe isn't too small, it is too blue. Every time you see a null sec hero posting in GD he isn't blowing someone up. He isn't blowing someone up because he has no targets. Half of the complaints posted here would disappear if they had targets. Making the universe smaller doesn't solve this problem.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2012-11-30 00:39:48 UTC
Oopsy Bear wrote:
FoxBird Freir wrote:
The main rant being that high sec is too rewarding and safe while low and null isn't rewarding enough and low sec being useless (apart from factional warefare).

To me the main reason this is happening is simply the enourmus amount of star systems out there, many of which are empty causeing a targetpoor environment with little real purpose.


The universe isn't too small, it is too blue. Every time you see a null sec hero posting in GD he isn't blowing someone up. He isn't blowing someone up because he has no targets. Half of the complaints posted here would disappear if they had targets. Making the universe smaller doesn't solve this problem.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-11-30 00:41:41 UTC
Is the universe too big?

No, it needs to be bigger.



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Comingin Hot
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-11-30 01:00:19 UTC

The Eve universe is really to big.

I was in every region in Eve. I travel thousands of empty systems in my Eve life.

It is no fun, if you roam in a 0.0 region on the edge of the map and something unexpected happens and you need something. You check the map 30-50 jumps to the next station.

It is also no fun, if you move A to B and need hours to do it.

bottom line: travel/waste of time without action is no fun!

There are too many empty, crappy systems, be it high. low or null sec. Almost nobody would miss this systems. Only some cowards, who try to hide from the rest of the Eve world. These guys -> wormhole that way.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2012-11-30 01:15:21 UTC
Comingin Hot wrote:
It is no fun, if you roam in a 0.0 region on the edge of the map and something unexpected happens and you need something. You check the map 30-50 jumps to the next station.

It is also no fun, if you move A to B and need hours to do it.

bottom line: travel/waste of time without action is no fun!

Power projection needs to be nerfed.

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Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-11-30 12:52:28 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Comingin Hot wrote:
It is no fun, if you roam in a 0.0 region on the edge of the map and something unexpected happens and you need something. You check the map 30-50 jumps to the next station.

It is also no fun, if you move A to B and need hours to do it.

bottom line: travel/waste of time without action is no fun!

Power projection needs to be nerfed.


This is right. There's a very good article in EN24 that touches upon the subject.

EN24

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Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-11-30 12:55:40 UTC
no universe is no too small or too big.

It is people who can control too much of it, the universe is too EASY to conquer for a blob

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
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