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Technetium - Nothings Changed?
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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#81 - 2012-11-29 17:27:29 UTC
Disband Goonswar......

Wait, what?

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#82 - 2012-11-29 17:35:33 UTC
Emperors Bride wrote:
If you think about it, Goons haven't beaten a large alliance in EVE using space ships... ever


We just did.

Tribute is yellow now, not blue- quite a remarkable change; and it was a battle. I was in almost every single one of those fleets. That region was taken by blood and thunder.

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Megadon
#83 - 2012-11-29 18:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Megadon
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Nerf goons thread # blahblahblahblahnerfgoonsblahblahblahwaaaaaaaaaaa


What this guy said.

+ you can get all the tech you want, you just need to fight for it, if you don't for whatever reason then it's not a CCP problem but yours.

Just to query, there is a realistic chance of this happening?
Not one of those, assuming you get sufficiently large group of people things or the Goons decide to let you have it for a few months then take it all back over night?

Where did you get this idea that null sec ISN'T bout groups as large as the GSF? The CFC isn'g GSF, entire alliances made up of individual corps need to maintain working relationships in order for the CFC or any coalition to survive; that's PLAYERS WORKING TOGETHER IN NULL SEC.

Your ****** little corp, a part of just as crappy and little an alliance, isn't an EMPIRE.
CCP states null as being the place were PLAYERS build EMPIRES. Not guild housing.


The problem isn't mechanics, it's rediculous player expectation. If you think that null sec is there for little groups of people to "fight" their way into control of space, then you're doing it wrong.


Null sec is supposed to mirror NPC contoled high sec, but run by the players. CCP didn't make it possible to rercuit thousands of people into a single corp, and then connect that corp to multiple other corp of thousands of people so that a few dozen can do what several thousand can.

Stupidity apparently has no limit, because I see people crying about other people doing exactly what CCP wants them to do. If that's not stupid, then I'm to stupid to know what stupid is.

********

Goon, YOU'RE WRONG, AND SO IS CCP.
In the next few days, after 7 years of EVE in every sector from 1.0 to 0.0, this account and two others of players that started EVE with me in 2005 -2006 will cease to exist as paying accounts BECAUSE THERE IS NO "GAME" in EVE. The economic model that GIVES the game to the "monoliths" is what is "stupid", not the new subscribers that come to EVE expecting a game mechanism that allows them to participate. Until that is rectified, there will be no more money from these 3 accounts for EVE. Now please respond (as you predictably will) by flaming me "GTFO".... the only thing your attitude and CCP's has achieved is 3 fewer paying subs.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#84 - 2012-11-30 15:21:55 UTC
Quote:

Goon, YOU'RE WRONG, AND SO IS CCP.
In the next few days, after 7 years of EVE in every sector from 1.0 to 0.0, this account and two others of players that started EVE with me in 2005 -2006 will cease to exist as paying accounts BECAUSE THERE IS NO "GAME" in EVE. The economic model that GIVES the game to the "monoliths" is what is "stupid", not the new subscribers that come to EVE expecting a game mechanism that allows them to participate. Until that is rectified, there will be no more money from these 3 accounts for EVE. Now please respond (as you predictably will) by flaming me "GTFO".... the only thing your attitude and CCP's has achieved is 3 fewer paying subs.

Nothing is given to anyone. The Goons took what they own from other people who had taken it from yet more. Goons are not the first superpower of this game and wont be the last.
Holy One
Privat Party
#85 - 2012-11-30 15:47:31 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Emperors Bride wrote:
If you think about it, Goons haven't beaten a large alliance in EVE using space ships... ever


We just did.

Tribute is yellow now, not blue- quite a remarkable change; and it was a battle. I was in almost every single one of those fleets. That region was taken by blood and F1.


Fixed that for you brosef.

:)
Shadowschild
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-11-30 15:48:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadowschild
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

Goon, YOU'RE WRONG, AND SO IS CCP.
In the next few days, after 7 years of EVE in every sector from 1.0 to 0.0, this account and two others of players that started EVE with me in 2005 -2006 will cease to exist as paying accounts BECAUSE THERE IS NO "GAME" in EVE. The economic model that GIVES the game to the "monoliths" is what is "stupid", not the new subscribers that come to EVE expecting a game mechanism that allows them to participate. Until that is rectified, there will be no more money from these 3 accounts for EVE. Now please respond (as you predictably will) by flaming me "GTFO".... the only thing your attitude and CCP's has achieved is 3 fewer paying subs.

Nothing is given to anyone. The Goons took what they own from other people who had taken it from yet more. Goons are not the first superpower of this game and wont be the last.



There comes a point in every online game where a big fish forms in the pond. If they added a new region every few expansions & do something usefull with all those -0.4 to -0.1 systems it would help. I watch every day at work as the most common sense solutions are ignored for months at a time & then suddenly someone up above gets it.

Laughable
Bamfordi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2012-11-30 15:50:25 UTC
Holy One wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Emperors Bride wrote:
If you think about it, Goons haven't beaten a large alliance in EVE using space ships... ever


We just did.

Tribute is yellow now, not blue- quite a remarkable change; and it was a battle. I was in almost every single one of those fleets. That region was taken by blood and F1.


Fixed that for you brosef.


You have to hit F1 in fleets? thats where i've been going wrong
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#88 - 2012-11-30 15:52:02 UTC
Quote:


There comes a point in every online game where a big fish forms in the pond. If they added a new region every few expansions it would help.

Having fought and seen the destruction of at least four of the most powerful empires in our history and a score of others I have to say that today is no different than back then.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#89 - 2012-11-30 16:16:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:


There comes a point in every online game where a big fish forms in the pond. If they added a new region every few expansions it would help.

Having fought and seen the destruction of at least four of the most powerful empires in our history and a score of others I have to say that today is no different than back then.


Yep. More of the same.
Technetium - Nothing Changed
From Inside POS AoE doomsdays to Tech. They don't make changed until the 'damage' is done.

Most MMO's it is about big fish but in EVE it was more about last man standing.
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-11-30 16:21:27 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:


Who said I was mad? Im just stating facts, I am perfectly calm, and actually i agree with you.

Also its just wrong, think about any new players coming into the game, will they ever ever hold a moon? of course not. Say in your instance do you think any new alliances or even alliances that are 2 years old can ever stand up or compete with PL or CFC or HBC. Of course they cant and never will be able to.

Sadly eve is becoming controlled by a few coalitions, is this really the way eve should be going? Chinese server perhaps?



How can they ever compete? You're joking right? PL didn't always own fountain. I've held fountain as part of 3 alliances, and we lost it every time (I admit it, I'm a baddie). We lost it to BoB, we lost it to PL, and we took it from BoB while they were dirtnapping/failcascading when I was in Bruce. People didn't think BoB could take ASCN's industrial might, and ASCN had more players- yet they were annihilated.

Those same newbie Goonies came to Big Blue's aid when the Merc Coalition hired by BoB took us out- I personally built a few thousand frigates in Geminate so they'd have something they had the skills to fly (took them about a week to get all their JCs there). That would be the same Goons who now control so much. Remember the angry bees? Flying insane frig and cruiser fleets because they were too low skilled to be able to fly anything bigger? Guess not. I do:P

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll
Doddy
Excidium.
#91 - 2012-11-30 16:22:11 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
care to explain what that is?


Ever scan a moon? It sucks. Scanning an entire system sucks even worse. Scanning an entire region should be banned by the Geneva Convention.

Having to re-scan entire regions every X amount of time would be torturous, and few would bother with it. The biggest advantage would no doubt be granted to the biggest groups of players (the ones that can afford to outsource the scanning to what few rank-and-file members are insane enough to want to), who would no doubt seek to grow even larger to cover that much more territory under their umbrella, either for maximising potential future moons (and/or denying them to others). The mechanic itself would also cause scarcity issues with moon minerals, so hoep u like high T2 prices!

tl;dr if you want to see even bigger blobs of people getting one day closer to quitting Eve forever while T2 prices skyrocket, support this idea. You may also want to look into getting your Grade 10.


So you are basically saying you are too lazy to go actually scan moons in order to generate billions per month? Seriously? It must be the easiest way to make ISK ever. I would gladly scan a region knowing i got a good chance to hit 10 moons or more that will give me a few hundred bill income a month...


Sadly its not finding the moon that makes isk, its puting the tower on it and keeping it there. So you might find a moon but within a couple of days my esteemed friends in goonswarm who are simply d-scanning for moon miners rather than scanning every moon will have found your honey pot and taken it off you without even thanking you for finding it for them.
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#92 - 2012-11-30 16:23:23 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price. Straight

I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then



Nothings changed?

When the alchemy changes went through Tech was selling just shy of 200k/unit, each moon making nearly 16 billion a month before fuel costs were considered.

The current ppu of tech is UNDER 80k/unit.


Your definition of "nothing" seems a bit off.


Quoting to help special people. Also with alchemy you can make your own plat-tech. If that is even to hard for you then I have no more suggestions.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#93 - 2012-11-30 16:25:09 UTC
Ocih wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:


There comes a point in every online game where a big fish forms in the pond. If they added a new region every few expansions it would help.

Having fought and seen the destruction of at least four of the most powerful empires in our history and a score of others I have to say that today is no different than back then.


Yep. More of the same.
Technetium - Nothing Changed
From Inside POS AoE doomsdays to Tech. They don't make changed until the 'damage' is done.

Most MMO's it is about big fish but in EVE it was more about last man standing.

And yet, none of that stuff stopped a small band of terrorists from not only holding venal but attacking them whenever we wanted for years.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#94 - 2012-11-30 16:54:21 UTC
Holy One wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Emperors Bride wrote:
If you think about it, Goons haven't beaten a large alliance in EVE using space ships... ever


We just did.

Tribute is yellow now, not blue- quite a remarkable change; and it was a battle. I was in almost every single one of those fleets. That region was taken by blood and F1.


Fixed that for you brosef.


Sometimes I gotta overload my hardeners too. So thats two key commands Smile

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#95 - 2012-11-30 17:01:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:


There comes a point in every online game where a big fish forms in the pond. If they added a new region every few expansions it would help.

Having fought and seen the destruction of at least four of the most powerful empires in our history and a score of others I have to say that today is no different than back then.


Yep. More of the same.
Technetium - Nothing Changed
From Inside POS AoE doomsdays to Tech. They don't make changed until the 'damage' is done.

Most MMO's it is about big fish but in EVE it was more about last man standing.

And yet, none of that stuff stopped a small band of terrorists from not only holding venal but attacking them whenever we wanted for years.


Lets be real, you guys were never "A small band of terrorists" even if you pretended to be. Not to say it wasn't smart to let people underestimate you when the time was right. Those days are gone now though.
Qin Tawate
Doomheim
#96 - 2012-11-30 17:13:04 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Yes Goon busted their ass to conquer all the regions holding tech and maintain a logistical nightmare to reap these rewards but you should have it changed because your not them. GTFO and play something eles


Let me release you from that pain. I buy every one of these worthless, garbage, so hard to maintain Tech moons from you for 1 ISK each.

Deal?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#97 - 2012-11-30 17:14:01 UTC
Ocih wrote:


Lets be real, you guys were never "A small band of terrorists" even if you pretended to be.


We wernt always GoonsBlink
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-11-30 17:24:45 UTC
Ocih wrote:


Lets be real, you guys were never "A small band of terrorists" even if you pretended to be. Not to say it wasn't smart to let people underestimate you when the time was right. Those days are gone now though.



I must have been dreaming when BoB beat the living snot out of the Goons and they quit for a time, over something to do with mocking a dead player, when Molle famously declared that there will never be an EvE where Goons would be allowed to build back up. There wasn't any pretending there, it certainly looked like a massacre. They came back with better, more focused leadership than they'd had before, and a BoB director who wanted to have some fun. Whether they would be where they are today if that director hadn't helped is anyone's guess.

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#99 - 2012-11-30 17:45:34 UTC
Sarmea Moon wrote:
Ocih wrote:


Lets be real, you guys were never "A small band of terrorists" even if you pretended to be. Not to say it wasn't smart to let people underestimate you when the time was right. Those days are gone now though.



I must have been dreaming when BoB beat the living snot out of the Goons and they quit for a time, over something to do with mocking a dead player, when Molle famously declared that there will never be an EvE where Goons would be allowed to build back up. There wasn't any pretending there, it certainly looked like a massacre. They came back with better, more focused leadership than they'd had before, and a BoB director who wanted to have some fun. Whether they would be where they are today if that director hadn't helped is anyone's guess.


The way I heard it, they left because of a corp thief. They get curb stomped to this day in battles. It happens. You don't need to defend goons. I don't hate on them. I look at what they are doing, what anyone is doing and decide if I like the action. Discussions get dragged down in to the mud when we turn it in to hate goons or hate -A- or hate BoB. It's derailment, maybe not intentional but effective.

I don't agree with the bottle necks in EVE. Be it T2 salvage, be it Uedama, be it Technetium or LP store Insignia's. I don't find they create conflict. I find they create monopolies. I don't think that is the objective in EVE.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#100 - 2012-11-30 18:35:23 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Yes Goon busted their ass to conquer all the regions holding tech and maintain a logistical nightmare to reap these rewards but you should have it changed because your not them. GTFO and play something eles

Wow. You almost have the whole thing in your mouth this time. Shocked


Still waiting on that writeup from you about how NCdot beat the northern coalition through the power of small gangs instead of blueing up every russian they could find that bore a grudge.