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CCP Hillmar Interview

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#21 - 2011-10-21 12:42:27 UTC
Disappointed that Incarna will be moth-balled and forgotten. Well, it just means that other people will now start to whine, who hadn't had to, because they were promised what they wanted would be in the winter expansion. But from the moment WoD development was continued "with a much smaller team", it was obvious that this would happen to Incarna.

Looking forward to new space features & bug fixes, but I really hope there will be things for everyone to enjoy. Apocrypha was great because it had just that: Something for everyone.

I think the CSM - aside from being too 0-sec focused atm and some little internal dislikes - is a good "tool" as Hilmar put it.
Perhaps they should not be the only source of player feedback. Not even in combination with the madness that is the EVE forums.

I don't have any numbers, but I do not think too many bother to vote for the CSM or to read into the background of the CSM members - if they have any. And I know not too many players visit the forums regularly.

Perhaps they should - at least from time to time - make some ingame polls to get an better understanding of what the players want.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-10-21 12:48:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
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How long you think until the PRO-CSM cabinet derails this one too?

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-10-21 12:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Jade Constantine wrote:
I think the point about a 0.0 dominated CSM is probably a fair one also - and I could see some kind of revision in the process there that has cateogies of CSM members representing various larger interest groups to ensure balance.


Its going to be hilarious if Affirmative Action comes in to ensure 'balance' and we just get our highsec alts voted into the CSM to 'represent' empire.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Tenebrae Delucescere
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-10-21 12:57:48 UTC
One thing I think is very important to note is his comment on the shift to FiS. It wasn't "no one wants WiS, so we're not going to do it any more." It was, "right now the players really want FiS. If that's what they want, we will listen." As the winter expansion comes, and lots of FiS things happen, the player focus can shift from "FiS is so broken, why aren't you fixing it?" to "Hey space is pretty cool right now, how about that station stuff?". As fixes are made, and the player focus shifts, we can see the development of both.

Ultimately, this is a great sign from CCP, to say "we're listening to what our players want, and focusing development on that." If they are true to that statement, continuing to voice the opintion that players do want WiS features should communicate to CCP that we do want to see the development of both. As the collective player voice balances out, we should eventually see equal co-deveopment of FiS and WiS. I'm very excited about a game with both space and stations. Say what you want, but I would love to dress up my space barbie, hang out with other players in player run establishments, and then hop into my spaceship to go blast pirates. When you fly to a certain system not just because there is a good agent there, but also a really cool bar that you hang out in, or a player shop with good prices. That synergy I think will be a ton of fun.

Fix space, right now it needs it. But don't forget Incarna!
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-10-21 13:03:28 UTC
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The structural situation made it very hard for the development side to hear the feedback from the players via the community teams and revamp plans based on it


Interesting article but going to wait and see what they do not what they say since they've lied so much throughout the years. Is this a pure PR stunt who knows.

However that quoted section smacks me as finger pointing. To me it sounds like he is saying the CCP developers didn't have any real ideal what the community wanted or didn't want in expansions. I find this incredibly hard to believe since we see so many devs in the thread and the feedback on blog articles and SiSi implementation. There is no way they could have missed the problems from those feedback threads. A great example is the CO changes feedback thread, the devs were there at first but have utterly disappeared from the conversation. Par for the course thoughCry
Josie Starshine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-10-21 13:15:19 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I think the point about a 0.0 dominated CSM is probably a fair one also - and I could see some kind of revision in the process there that has cateogies of CSM members representing various larger interest groups to ensure balance.


Its going to be hilarious if Affirmative Action comes in to ensure 'balance' and we just get our highsec alts voted into the CSM to 'represent' empire.


Good point. I suppose just removing the CSM completely is the only credible solution then. Thanks for making this perfectly clear.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#27 - 2011-10-21 13:25:37 UTC
So....

...no NEx store
...no Incarna
...no casual content
...no solo content
...no PvE content

Why should I keep paying for playing this game, actually? What's in it for me?

Nullsec? Nullsec is a chore.
Wormholes? Not really interested.
Industry? Come on, I like blowing sutff, not building it.
More mission running? Because after the first 1,000 Lvl4 they begin to get interesting? Or because it's intrinsecally fun running Lvl5 in loseyourshipsec?
Incursions? I don't have that much time to spend.

And, that's all. Not the brightest prospects... What?

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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-10-21 13:31:17 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
More mission running? Because after the first 1,000 Lvl4 they begin to get interesting?


I think it's more like after the first 15,000 actually. P
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-10-21 13:57:13 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
This interview should have been part of the announced firings.

Or what he says should have been part of the dev blog. This is what communication is.

Still a lot of fluff and bluster in it at points though.

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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#30 - 2011-10-21 14:32:36 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Its going to be hilarious if Affirmative Action comes in to ensure 'balance' and we just get our highsec alts voted into the CSM to 'represent' empire.

Going to be hilarious if CCP adds as a requirement to list any and all alts/mains on candidate application and having a non-negotiable instant perma-ban for pulling that or similar stunt ..

Ask yourself why the NDA isn't broken as a matter of fact by every damn CSM member .. with severe enough sanctions the urge to be trixy shrivels up like so many bursting ego's when faced with asking out the not-quite-horrible-to-look-at girl.
Alara IonStorm
#31 - 2011-10-21 14:39:06 UTC
I don't know what to say so I will just sit here and smile.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#32 - 2011-10-21 14:39:08 UTC


Don't drop Incarna.


It's not that we hate it (I love it) - it's just that you threw it at us the WRONG WAY.


We've been waiting years for it - but it was poorly handled and launched, wrong time tables and unhappy innuendos embedded throughout the whole program.


Dropping it totally is just disappointing as well.

Where I am.

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-10-21 14:41:20 UTC
+10 Respect Points to Hilmar.

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Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#34 - 2011-10-21 14:48:47 UTC
Quote:
The structural situation made it very hard for the development side to hear the feedback from the players via the community teams and revamp plans based on it.


you say this after you were told feed back on countless occasions, had the devs responsible for the changes comment on the feedback and then totaly disregard it, due imo basied on the company policeys you were driving

you are a moron hilmar, its you who should be shown the door


Quote:
A lot of the mistakes we made over the summer were known quite well within our community groups, but they were not getting through to the people making the decisions due to not being co-located with them.


The summer, your joking right? you ahve been making many many mistakes since teh famos 18month comments. summer my ass.

OMG when can i get a pic here

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#35 - 2011-10-21 14:51:48 UTC
Josie Starshine wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I think the point about a 0.0 dominated CSM is probably a fair one also - and I could see some kind of revision in the process there that has cateogies of CSM members representing various larger interest groups to ensure balance.


Its going to be hilarious if Affirmative Action comes in to ensure 'balance' and we just get our highsec alts voted into the CSM to 'represent' empire.


Good point. I suppose just removing the CSM completely is the only credible solution then. Thanks for making this perfectly clear.


Lol hardly you run as a player not a character.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Perramas
DreddNaut
#36 - 2011-10-21 14:53:55 UTC
It is great to hear that you are shelving Incarna and the Nex store. I also like hearing you may take all play styles into account instead of favoring one over the others.

+rep to Hilmar

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people- Eleanor Roosevelt

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#37 - 2011-10-21 14:56:57 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So....

...no NEx store


What do you think this is Perfect World International or something?

Quote:
...no Incarna
There has been "no incarna" for 5 years and thesre wasn't going to be an "incarna" regardless of what happens. The technology is terrible and there is no gameplay. Not sure how else to break it to you.

Quote:
...no casual content
...no solo content


What IS casual content?

Can't people use hybrids, fly the new BCs/AFs/ gank people at Customs offices, build t2 rigs etc etc on their OWN now?

Quote:
...no PvE content


You do know this is at heart a PVP game - even selling your mission loot is PVP because you are competing against other players to sell stuff.

Quote:
Why should I keep paying for playing this game, actually? What's in it for me?

Nullsec? Nullsec is a chore.
Wormholes? Not really interested.
Industry? Come on, I like blowing sutff, not building it.
More mission running? Because after the first 1,000 Lvl4 they begin to get interesting? Or because it's intrinsecally fun running Lvl5 in loseyourshipsec?
Incursions? I don't have that much time to spend.

And, that's all. Not the brightest prospects... What?


I honestly don't think this is the game for you.

Try playing Space Marine or Rage or Fallout 3. Those are great. Its quite possible you don't actually want an MMO at all.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-10-21 15:07:52 UTC
Regarding CSM I think there should be a change on how they are elected, right now for instance (hypothetical numbers just to exemplify the issue), 10 people volunteer to belong on CSM with 5 spots open, now, a bunch of people vote and the 5 with more votes get to be in it, I don't think this will 'democratically' have a good sample of different views of ppl in the CSM, and then you get a bunch of people directed towards a specific area of the game.

Right now, the majority of the elected players get to be null/wh/low sec players because most of them do get involved a lot more in forums (for several reasons) or do get more in touch with the community outside the game which in turn translates in those who will feel more compelled to vote.

Many of the new players (or fresh) don't even now what CSM is, hell many don't know how the game works after months of playing, others aren't just forum people, this particular problem could be solved with in game candidates exposure and voting, or better in the long run, a much much better new player experience where not only they are introduced to the game better but to the community too along with their 'duties' and 'obligation' as a figure of speech.

To have a more diverse group of ideas/advocates in the CSM I would probably propose something like a list, instead of choosing to vote on 1 of 20 people, vote on a very well thought out and pre-determined group of people that needs to obey a specific set of organisational rules, like a chairman, then the vice, then 1 representative of several areas of the game, for instance FW, WH, NULL, LOW, HIGH, Industrials, etc etc, and you vote in this group. Even better if the group proposes to release a document expressing each of their views regarding each area of the game to help us make a better choice.

Would it be feasible ? I don't know, there probably are some unfeasible features I'd like, or there is even a better option to have more spread out representation in the CSM but this is what I can think of right now.

Don't turn this discussion only about the CSM btw, there are plenty of whiny threads around that already, and even not the ideal they did a lot more good than harm to the game, anyway, more ideas about the interview and constructive feedback is always welcome imo.
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#39 - 2011-10-21 15:38:33 UTC
That was a good interview. I've been very cynical about eve since the summer, and the continued focus on screwing solo players hasn't impressed me much, but it looks as if the game will carry on now at least.
Vastek Non
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-10-21 15:43:15 UTC
Headerman wrote:
When asked about resigning, Hilmar said...

Quote:
I absolutely considered that but I think that frankly it would have been an easy way out. Being accountable for this type of situation, leading the company into this position, it's also my responsibility to lead us out of it. I've had support from employees in doing that. I've now learned a life lesson from going through this and I hope that will make me a better CEO in the future.


For me, having an experienced CEO at the helm is FAR better than anyone else, especially one that comes face to face with the exact problems he is facing. He knows how to steer CCP through and come out the other side in one piece.


Also, regardless of the mistakes the man seems to have made recently (I wouldn't be willing to bet it was all his ideas), he IS the one who had the vision for EVE in the first place.

I would be genuinely frightened if he did step down. I don't know if you can imagine the souless money grabber that the bankers would likely replace him with. EVE would likely be screwed for all it could give in 6 months, nearly dead and the remnants sold of