EVE General Discussion

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How long you think until the PRO-CSM cabinet derails this one too?

One thing I think is very important to note is his comment on the shift to FiS. It wasn't "no one wants WiS, so we're not going to do it any more." It was, "right now the players really want FiS. If that's what they want, we will listen." As the winter expansion comes, and lots of FiS things happen, the player focus can shift from "FiS is so broken, why aren't you fixing it?" to "Hey space is pretty cool right now, how about that station stuff?". As fixes are made, and the player focus shifts, we can see the development of both.

Ultimately, this is a great sign from CCP, to say "we're listening to what our players want, and focusing development on that." If they are true to that statement, continuing to voice the opintion that players do want WiS features should communicate to CCP that we do want to see the development of both. As the collective player voice balances out, we should eventually see equal co-deveopment of FiS and WiS. I'm very excited about a game with both space and stations. Say what you want, but I would love to dress up my space barbie, hang out with other players in player run establishments, and then hop into my spaceship to go blast pirates. When you fly to a certain system not just because there is a good agent there, but also a really cool bar that you hang out in, or a player shop with good prices. That synergy I think will be a ton of fun.

Fix space, right now it needs it. But don't forget Incarna!

Good point. I suppose just removing the CSM completely is the only credible solution then. Thanks for making this perfectly clear.

I think it's more like after the first 15,000 actually.

Going to be hilarious if CCP adds as a requirement to list any and all alts/mains on candidate application and having a non-negotiable instant perma-ban for pulling that or similar stunt ..

Ask yourself why the NDA isn't broken as a matter of fact by every damn CSM member .. with severe enough sanctions the urge to be trixy shrivels up like so many bursting ego's when faced with asking out the not-quite-horrible-to-look-at girl.

Don't drop Incarna.


It's not that we hate it (I love it) - it's just that you threw it at us the WRONG WAY.


We've been waiting years for it - but it was poorly handled and launched, wrong time tables and unhappy innuendos embedded throughout the whole program.


Dropping it totally is just disappointing as well.

you say this after you were told feed back on countless occasions, had the devs responsible for the changes comment on the feedback and then totaly disregard it, due imo basied on the company policeys you were driving

you are a moron hilmar, its you who should be shown the door




The summer, your joking right? you ahve been making many many mistakes since teh famos 18month comments. summer my ass.

It is great to hear that you are shelving Incarna and the Nex store. I also like hearing you may take all play styles into account instead of favoring one over the others.

+rep to Hilmar

Regarding CSM I think there should be a change on how they are elected, right now for instance (hypothetical numbers just to exemplify the issue), 10 people volunteer to belong on CSM with 5 spots open, now, a bunch of people vote and the 5 with more votes get to be in it, I don't think this will 'democratically' have a good sample of different views of ppl in the CSM, and then you get a bunch of people directed towards a specific area of the game.

Right now, the majority of the elected players get to be null/wh/low sec players because most of them do get involved a lot more in forums (for several reasons) or do get more in touch with the community outside the game which in turn translates in those who will feel more compelled to vote.

Many of the new players (or fresh) don't even now what CSM is, hell many don't know how the game works after months of playing, others aren't just forum people, this particular problem could be solved with in game candidates exposure and voting, or better in the long run, a much much better new player experience where not only they are introduced to the game better but to the community too along with their 'duties' and 'obligation' as a figure of speech.

To have a more diverse group of ideas/advocates in the CSM I would probably propose something like a list, instead of choosing to vote on 1 of 20 people, vote on a very well thought out and pre-determined group of people that needs to obey a specific set of organisational rules, like a chairman, then the vice, then 1 representative of several areas of the game, for instance FW, WH, NULL, LOW, HIGH, Industrials, etc etc, and you vote in this group. Even better if the group proposes to release a document expressing each of their views regarding each area of the game to help us make a better choice.

Would it be feasible ? I don't know, there probably are some unfeasible features I'd like, or there is even a better option to have more spread out representation in the CSM but this is what I can think of right now.

Don't turn this discussion only about the CSM btw, there are plenty of whiny threads around that already, and even not the ideal they did a lot more good than harm to the game, anyway, more ideas about the interview and constructive feedback is always welcome imo.

Also, regardless of the mistakes the man seems to have made recently (I wouldn't be willing to bet it was all his ideas), he IS the one who had the vision for EVE in the first place.

I would be genuinely frightened if he did step down. I don't know if you can imagine the souless money grabber that the bankers would likely replace him with. EVE would likely be screwed for all it could give in 6 months, nearly dead and the remnants sold of