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This all strikes me as another epic "We're too lazy to make it work right" situation, similar to how Drone Interfacing was reworked to it's current form, adding drone bonuses.

I can't remember the simplifications that went into missiles & fighters, much much latter. But that, iirc, at least was not game affecting, just a "we need an easy win, let's make our server engine do less work".

It's time again, CCP says, to throw another long held feature on the altar of ****-it-make-it-fast.

WELL I SAY!

Meh, lamers.

I for one adore skirting around shields, and it's a damned shame the unwillingness to do what is quite literally the most trivial collision detection routine there is (distance from a point, pythagorean theorum) has been top down decided as "too hard" to bother solving, and is being axed. Safe quarters are important in space, and physically being on the edge of those quarters is a grand line to cut close to.

I hope new & interesting & good can arise from new POSs. But they sound like they're being turned into the appendix: no safe quarters, moon mining is being replaced, twistedly after POSs are remade, with ring mining: they'll be the step child thing no one likes when all they do is:

1. act like a big cargo container with guns
2. make capital ship constructionists even more nervous than they used it

To extend my Drone Interfacing rant, there's some due cause, some of the rebalancing in the wake, the additional decoupling provided by Bandwidth, was good. But that stemmed from something which was bad, which was simplifying the game because running the game was proving to be hard. Players do not directly care that we're making your power bills higher, making CPUs weep. My first experience in EVE was sitting for 12 minutes outside of Rens watching a Thorax with 10 drones circle it, just going "WOW," that was epic! And cuts were made, epic-ness paired down, because the CPUs were sobbing themselves to sleep over having 10 drones. I feel like POS Shields are being sacrificed for the same cause, that again, it's laziness and unwillingness to invest, to make possible the chaotic thick busy world, that something good is being sacrificed, and I'd rather not see it go, don't think the heart is well set on this one.

LOL lady flute, aparently every avenue of the game ccp and gm's are causing billions of isk losses and doing nothing to progress the game.

how bout u stfu and stop trolling every thread in here.

Stations currently not destructible. POS Are.

POS Currently not modular, stations are.

Why aren't they just amalgamating the two structures into 1 ?

Why not just a more scalable modular POS that could cost upward of 1-200b with ALL the right modules installed on it but allow small corps to get into a POS for 500m-1b with a very small amount of services available?

It would allow more selective dynamic pos for small corps.
Would still allow the right balance for large alliances.

CCP would only have *1* structure to **** with instead of 2 when dealing with development issues.

Would also be a great isk sink when blown up.

Tie some of the new taxation (for alliance, corp, taxes on EVERYTHING - as mentioned in the minutes) into the POS mechanic - tax on station services for instance.

Could also be tied into a new Sov system later - ie. Number of modules+module upgrades in the system being used by people etc.

And just plainly - a better lowsec.

They could still look different dependant upon what modules are installed etc..

Example:
Living in low-sec running a mining corp with a refinery module, a small market module, cloning module and some defensive modules could cost you 10b, but it's ok cause you make it back over time - the 3 refinery modules you installed allow a 3% tax on minerals, your market module only allows 1% tax, but the offices you just installed are now raking in 30m/office/month.

etc...

Seems like a no-brainer - but I'm not CCP and this could be too big a change.

I think there must be stations, outposts and POSes... For what ccp is planning for the new POS, the big diference bwtween POS and outpost is that Outpost dont consume fuel and cant be destroyed, whille POS are gonna be Better and consume fuel...

Take a look at this Tread, there are some things that you may like!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=143764

The problem with mooring, is the fact that when you undock you have to make it there first. Just wait until you undock to a 15 to 20 man bomber fleet on your door step.

If you have no shields on the POS that's fine, as long as they beef up the defenses of the pos - guns, missiles, etc..

Why the **** do unmanned POS fire each gun randomly for instance ?
The POS defense shouldn't be some crazy-stupid system like this. POS guns should pick a few random targets to lock up, pick one to fire at and ALL guns fire at that target.

This would increase the ability to survive for small corps defending against larger opponents. Fights could be going on between smaller and larger entities for longer in an area.

Small entity moves into nearby system and sets up a POS.
The larger entity has trouble taking the POS down, giving the smaller entity more time for operations in the area.
Pew Pew ensues.
Later, the smaller entity creating a thorn in the preverbial side of the larger entity - the larger entity decides it's now worth it to call an op to get rid of these guys.

At present it's more like:
Small entity moves into a system.
Large entity sees them
Large entity calls 2 carriers and 5 battleships and removes small entity.
The end.

~sigh~

Lots of words.

Posted from in game and lost it all.

TL;DR: Make POS modular. Mooring is not the way to go

Ok - pretty easy.

POS's Flogging a Dead Horse

A fully modular design for POS's - that's an old thread including pictures for folks to look at to visualize the design idea. (yes, the discussion on this does go back to *BEFORE* 2006 -- it was a "dead horse" back then.)

Next - full control capabilities on access. Think like a network manager assigning rights and applying them to individuals, groups and system resources.

A modular design would resolve a lot. Access control at such granular levels would allow for very flexible use of all the resources.

I can see a sort of modular pos, that has a shield but then will not have enough fittings to attach guns or anything else to it.

The removal of POS shields will NOT kill poses or wh corps. You just won't be able to leave ships outside of ship maintainance bays any more. I imagine the interface they're going to be looking at will make POS's very much like stations in that you can 'dock' with them, taking you out of combat while you're in them. The difference being between a POS and a real station is number of dock able ships, and features available while docked.