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Technetium - Nothings Changed?
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MilitantMan
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-11-28 18:13:18 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Hate to tell you, but the Tec problem existed ( concentration of moons in one region) long before Goons ever got deklien, in fact mittens even addressed the problem so don't blame goons blame CCP for the footdragging on this issue.


What's even funnier was Goonswarm holding Delve (i.e. the region with the most Dyspro/Prom) when the changes came :v

But no, totally biased decision purely to benefit Devswarm. Glad this guy's on the case! Imagine the damage he'll do once he realizes how to make market history go back farther than 5 days!


Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-11-28 18:17:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
MilitantMan wrote:
Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price


Riiiight, Tech didn't drop from over 200k at one point to less than 80k today because of CCP's alchemy changes. Somehow this managed to happen even though most of the tech is actually in far fewer hands now than it was at its peak. Explain this to us, oh market wizard!

Edit: here's a fun thread for those of us not in the middle of a DEM GOONS conniption:

"Current SiSi T2 component usage make TECHNETIUM "the new dysprosium"

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1208383

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
MilitantMan
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-11-28 18:19:11 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price


Riiiight, Tech didn't drop from over 200k at one point to less than 80k today because of CCP's alchemy changes. Somehow this managed to happen even though most of the tech is actually in far fewer hands now than it was at its peak. Explain this to us, oh market wizard!


Ah right so you are telling me that everyone managed to moon mine all those minerals and do the reactions, to such an amount in such a small time to cause that dip?

Please stop now before you do start to look a little silly now..
Jeremy Soikutsu
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#24 - 2012-11-28 18:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeremy Soikutsu
MilitantMan wrote:

Say in your instance do you think any new alliances or even alliances that are 2 years old can ever stand up or compete with PL or CFC or HBC. Of course they cant and never will be able to.
To be fair that would and will be true without Tech given their numbers. You could argue that Tech gave them a lot of those numbers, but that would be suppositional and irrelevant at this point.

MilitantMan wrote:
Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price
Except it was.

"Of course you would choose the fun, but you don't lead a relevant entity which has allies." - Colonel Xaven
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-11-28 18:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
MilitantMan wrote:
Ah right so you are telling me that everyone managed to moon mine all those minerals and do the reactions, to such an amount in such a small time to cause that dip?

Please stop now before you do start to look a little silly now..


That's usually how these things happen. Nerf announced, people act accordingly. It's not like reactions are some kind of foreign thing, or that nobody was mining platinum or cobalt before this was announced.

Besides, you skipped the fundamental part of my question. If the drop in prices (not dip, drop, the drop has been happening pretty much since CCP Fozzie's devblog mid-July) was not caused by alchemy changes but instead by (insert your own bat**** reason here), wouldn't that price be on its way back up now that most of the tech in the game is quite literally consolidated by one coalition? Especially one that would most definitely be fixing prices if it were at all able to?

Please censor all vulgarities. - CCP Eterne

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MilitantMan
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-11-28 18:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: MilitantMan
Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:

Say in your instance do you think any new alliances or even alliances that are 2 years old can ever stand up or compete with PL or CFC or HBC. Of course they cant and never will be able to.
To be fair that would and will be true without Tech given their numbers. You could argue that Tech gave them a lot of those numbers, but that would be suppositional and irrelevant at this point.

MilitantMan wrote:
Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price
Except it was.


Ok well remember PL had lots of high end moons in Fountain, As fountain had a massive concentration of both dyspro and prom moons. That was a time both these made incredible ISK. Thats how PL made their money and managed to build a massive super/titan fleet. And yes of course they have grown a little also. This then allowed them to take as much of the tech moons as they wanted.

Not only did they take a ton of moons in low sec, but took all the 70 moons in Venal at one point. Again giving them a ridiculous income to create more and more caps.

i am not saying this a PLs fault, but there are fundamental issues with the mechanics of this game

and the second quote, again the price dropped in a matter of a couple of weeks, it would be impossible to moon mine such an amount to be produced via reactions in that time to make an impact on the market
n just a couple of weeks.
MilitantMan
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-11-28 18:28:07 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
Ah right so you are telling me that everyone managed to moon mine all those minerals and do the reactions, to such an amount in such a small time to cause that dip?

Please stop now before you do start to look a little silly now..


That's usually how these things happen. Nerf announced, people act accordingly. It's not like reactions are some kind of foreign thing, or that nobody was mining platinum or cobalt before this was announced.

Besides, you skipped the fundamental part of my question. If the drop in prices (not dip, drop, the drop has been happening pretty much since CCP Fozzie's devblog mid-July) was not caused by alchemy changes but instead by (insert your own batshit reason here), wouldn't that price be on its way back up now that most of the tech in the game is quite literally consolidated by one coalition? Especially one that would most definitely be fixing prices if it were at all able to?


Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread
MilitantMan
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-11-28 18:30:11 UTC  |  Edited by: MilitantMan
duble post
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-11-28 18:30:31 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:
and the second quote, again the price dropped in a matter of a couple of weeks, it would be impossible to moon mine such an amount to be produced via reactions in that time to make an impact on the market
n just a couple of weeks.


Speculation caused the initial sharp decline (note: speculation caused by the alchemy nerf). It rose for a while once the Tribute War started (first step was attacking NCdot's Tech in Venal/Tribute, which naturally caused a drop in supply), but once that subsided (and actual alchemy no doubt kicked in), it started dropping again, and currently sits even lower than it was during that initial downwards slope.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
MilitantMan
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-11-28 18:36:45 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
and the second quote, again the price dropped in a matter of a couple of weeks, it would be impossible to moon mine such an amount to be produced via reactions in that time to make an impact on the market
n just a couple of weeks.


Speculation caused the initial sharp decline (note: speculation caused by the alchemy nerf). It rose for a while once the Tribute War started (first step was attacking NCdot's Tech in Venal/Tribute, which naturally caused a drop in supply), but once that subsided (and actual alchemy no doubt kicked in), it started dropping again, and currently sits even lower than it was during that initial downwards slope.



Exactly, so the 'speculation' caused it, not by people actually producing anything to make it happen. Therefore the 'actual' change didnt cause that to happen. I doubt tbh its had that much impact even now.

It would be good to see the stats from CCP, however its still damn high, and I think the intended changes was supposed to have a much bigger impact. Like maybe bringing tech to 30K or something. Maybe I am wrong. But it would also be good to know what CCP expected the market price to drop to after this implementation.
If they knew it was going to drop only a little then that didnt really solve the problem then did it.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-11-28 18:47:24 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:
Exactly, so the 'speculation' caused it, not by people actually producing anything to make it happen. Therefore the 'actual' change didnt cause that to happen. I doubt tbh its had that much impact even now.


Speculation happens for a reason - people don't just decide to behave differently without new information to make them do that. If you look at the beginning of the slope, it's just past the midway point in July. CCP Fozzie's Tech devblog was July 19th. That's not really a coincidence.

If it was just speculation that was keeping the price low, wouldn't it be recovering by now, especially considering most of the tech is in one coalition's hands right now? It's now by-and-large in the hands of two former OTEC members, and the rather sizable spike in Tech prices pre-nerf is proof positive that they know how to operate a price cartel. So what gives? Why is tech still going down?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-11-28 19:28:53 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:


Exactly, so the 'speculation' caused it, not by people actually producing anything to make it happen. Therefore the 'actual' change didnt cause that to happen. I doubt tbh its had that much impact even now.
Listen, speculation did cause the initial downward pressure on Tech prices. The Northern conflict shortened supply so prices did rise, but in that time R32 alchemy did start to alleviate the supply shortfall. Now with the Northern conflict over and R32 alchemy in full swing, your supposition that alchemy is not having an impact on Tech prices is laughably naive at best, and an outright troll at worst.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#33 - 2012-11-28 19:36:59 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:

Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread


Reported you for over abuse of the reporting function. Please HTFU.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#34 - 2012-11-28 19:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaekessa
baltec1 wrote:
We have been forced to give swimming lessons to our accountants so that they dont drown in the money bin.


This made me think of Scrooge McDuck
Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#35 - 2012-11-28 19:46:41 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:


Exactly, so the 'speculation' caused it, not by people actually producing anything to make it happen. Therefore the 'actual' change didnt cause that to happen. I doubt tbh its had that much impact even now.

It would be good to see the stats from CCP, however its still damn high, and I think the intended changes was supposed to have a much bigger impact. Like maybe bringing tech to 30K or something. Maybe I am wrong. But it would also be good to know what CCP expected the market price to drop to after this implementation.
If they knew it was going to drop only a little then that didnt really solve the problem then did it.


Speculation does not create slow and steady devaluation.
Jeremy Soikutsu
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#36 - 2012-11-28 19:49:46 UTC
Thomas Orca wrote:
Speculation does not create slow and steady devaluation.
This is clearly tantric speculation.

"Of course you would choose the fun, but you don't lead a relevant entity which has allies." - Colonel Xaven
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#37 - 2012-11-28 19:51:55 UTC
Does anyone else think MilitantMan looks like a bald Mittens?

The Drake is a Lie
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#38 - 2012-11-28 19:56:09 UTC
Even with Tec, Goons are not invincible...we...well...we almost proved it!!...until the Falcon decloacked and.... well you know... Roll
Ra'Shyne Viper
Native Freshfood
#39 - 2012-11-28 20:13:35 UTC
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Snuffed Out
#40 - 2012-11-28 20:24:02 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:
Also its just wrong, think about any new players coming into the game, will they ever ever hold a moon? of course not


They can always go out and scan the 160,000+ moons ingame and find the undiscovered, undocumented ones. You know- like the people who moan about tech in the north and wish that it rotated, depleted or revolved in some random manner.

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