EVE General Discussion

While I was micromanaging my buy/sell orders, I thought of a great idea!

Lets say you have 5 widgets (we'll call em) to sell, and the market looks like this

dodixie/ 17/ 1,999,996.96
dodixie/ 6/ 1,999,996.97
dodixie/ 11/ 1,999,996.98
dodixie/ 9/ 1,999,996.99

So ya say, "Well, I should put mine up for a penny lower than that dude at the top", right? That'll do, but only until the dude lowers his sell order a penny below yours again, and you lower yours, he lowers his, and then you're stuck in the most boring form of PvP that any game ever managed to produce, or you badly need to drop a dos or tend to the baby, or whatever.. and Loots doesn't get sold.

I have a better idea!

A maximum lowest bid. Using the widgets example. I could place my sell order for 1,999,996.95 with a lowest acceptable bid being something like 1,950,000.00. So my orders would automatically lower their bid if a chode comes along and trys to lower his bid by a cent. All the way down to 1,950,000.00, If the chode placed his order at 1,949,999.00, then he would have the "first sold" item at the top of the market, and my lowest acceptable bid of 1,950,000 is then entered as the next order behind his order.

The reverse could also be done with buy orders.

I like it because it eliminates hundreds of items that are all basically the same price, and you can't edit a lowest, or highest acceptable bid offer once the order has been made. Making trading fun, you actually have to think before you just threw crap up on the market, and when you placed a lowest maximum bid that was way lower than the next guy you could feel dumb. I know how masochistic EVE players are.

Sooo, good/bad?

sonofa..

I thought people were just on top of ****, I probably suck at the market as a general rule, but with this new information, I mine as well walk away from it.

Everyone would set their "lowest acceptable price", see where all the orders ends up, then adjust the lowest acceptable price in 0.01 ISK steps to outbid the other person.

We would be right where we are now.

Other ideas: If I set my price the same as the current lowest bidder, our orders get filled at random (right now its first come first served). Now I have the option to essentially say to other traders "Both you and I get a fair share" rather than saying "I get it all, you get nothing", which just is intensive to continue a 0.01 ISK war.

Or: Something like what trade bots do. Everyone who pays an extra broker fee gets their order on top for an equal amount of time. For example, if there were 6 pilots who set their orders on "auto update" the broker would update one every hour, giving all 6 pilots four 1 hour periods on top each day. (Unless someone else manually sets a better order.) Like the OP's proposal, there would be a limit I would set. But if two people set this up the result would not be a mad rush of price changes until one hits a limit, but a slow steady change over many days until the orders sold through.

Google eve market bot, kiss goodbye to innocence. Its very very easy to automate +1'ing sadly. CCP could work a little harder to obfuscate the process tbh.

If someone is playing the 1 isk game with me i start undercutting them by 100k so they follow me down, and become mad.

You see posts on the market forums furious about people undercutting 'too much', and calling them the worst kind of person ever. That's me, i guess.

If you can't handle the heat, don't undercut people at all.

You see those posts in MD because those people are actually marketeers, and don't like random yahoos costing them isk. Market pvp is just as valid though, and if you don't mind taking the loss, "gf" i guess.

Actually, this sounds like a really good idea, OP. I'm on-board. That would solve the market bot problem outright and make the economy even more efficient. +1 o7

Gotta be the downer for this thread...


Why should market PvP get a big boost like that? Everyone else works for their profits so why should you guys be allowed to have the client take care of all your transactions as long as you have set the limit you are happy about?

It would be like giving low/null players the ability to be notified of what ships come into system and tell them what ship as long as the ship meets the requirements they set.

It would be like giving Mission runners / Exploration toons / Ratters the ability to instantly receive the loot of the wreck if their cargo hold had enough room and if the item is not filtered out.

Afk brokerage? I don't like.