Intergalactic Summit

You do realise that fundamentally, the Gallente Federation also believes this, right? The core principles of the Federation differs from the State solely in that the Federation doesn't believe in telling individuals what their purpose is. Unlike you, I'm not neccessarily touting that as a superior alternative - just a valid one.

I believe that your place in life is to be a consistent and embarassing failure at basically everything you try to accomplish in order to serve as an example to other citizens of the State on how not to be a Caldari, and as an example to citizens of the Federation as to the dangers of blind nationalism and uneducated patriotism.

You're doing a stellar job at that, but I believe every human possesses the capacity to surprise me if they try hard enough.



I see that you consistently refer to Gallenteans as "grey masses," indicating you believe that the weakness of the Gallente Federation is... homogeneity? I don't think even other insane hardliners like Vikarion or Galaxy Pig would try and make that argument. Some of the things that most strongly define the Federation are its ethnic diversity, widespread multiculturalism and nigh-universal promotion of individualism and self-expression. I'm not saying those are neccessarily good or bad traits, but they certainly aren't homogeneity.

By comparison, homogeneity of ethnicity, purpose and outlook are generally considered strengths by a different nation - the State.



You're doing a spectacularly poor job of that so far, and it doesn't look set to get any better.

It's not really gambling when well-established medical science has reduced infant mortality rates significantly, and equally well-established societal structures allow a child to thrive. No one is claiming ownership, but responsibility is placed on members of society, typically the parents first and foremost.

Your little cabal, after a very basic "Show Info" inspection, on the other hand...well. Mutant cyborg zombies all slaved to a central Master?

And this is the linchpin behind your entire worldview. "But we're really better, because our slavery isn't actually slavery, and look at all the benefits!"

Except, does the math really add up? If the majority of individuals in Sansha's Nation are True Slaves, would it not make sense that the majority of those uplifted in Sansha raids would be as you describe: criminals and horrible monsters? Except they're not! These are everyday people who were just going about their lives. I call bull.

There are different books, and different teachers. But the basics are the same. I don't understand why you become so defensive about ideas that were wrong from the start? You want to compare education, amount of literature we read? Very well.

I don't read these scientific journals. I don't know such facts and details, about what gallente can metabolise and what they total can'ts. You see, Im a military employee, I don't care, and I won't read these journals. But I know basics. I know how it works, because they taught us back in my childhood with standard education program. That all living forms, house flies, furriers, trees, and humans, all consist of cells, and each cell have DNA (in its core and organellas like mitochondria), that this DNA is transcribed to RNA, and RNA is translated into polypeptide chain, that finally folds into target enzyme. It is difference in DNA makes you a human and not a housefly, that makes difference between plant and animal. That difference between a human and wild animal in DNA is just a couple of percents, and difference between humans are even less. But this even smallest differences in genome can produce enormous factical differences between organisms. Our genotypes are relatively small, just about several megawords. Our ship computers run much larger controlling softwares. And humans don't replicate, they reproduce from two different organisms, that couple to give birth to the third, that will be new one, different, that will posess mixed properties of parents, and even more, can have properties that parents didn't have, because genes can be dominant and recessive, and when child recieve no dominant genes, recessive ones express themselves. Or different genes can make completely new property like blood type. Eventually, this will affect personality of the child as well.

It is just basic, just understanding how the whole damn thing works. You don't have to be doctor of science to understand this, you don't have to read scientific journals, besides, they will never write about it, they just list interesting facts and recent advances, that might be amusing, but they will never tell you basics, they will never teach you and won't make you understand. What is a scientific journal? It is a database, that scientists use for their work. You will never learn by browsing databases of sparse facts!

And I can't teach you too, I am not a teacher, I am not a scientist, maybe I could run some drills with you, that's all I can offer, but I doubt you are interested. My referring to this textbook was just because we used it back then. There are lots of other textbooks, that will tell the same. And I leave it up to you, if you want to read any of them or not. But, if you will decide to read them, I hope you won't write anymore about 'abandoning DNA', 'not important genes', associating DNA with simply physical appearance, and that Civire genes are just 'cosmetic'.

Because of genes, because of diversity, no peoples were born equal.
And different cultures overcome it with their own ways.
Gallenteans lie to people, that you are 'the same', and stimulate you to follow your desires.
Caldari teach people, that you must learn yourself to bring best profit for your community.
Which side are you on?

Just to butt in here, but you're really looking in the wrong field of discussion when you pick your definition of what True Slave means.

You are assuming the social status.

You should be thinking of networking.



A person losing an arm is not less of a person (unless we are talking, solely, about mass). A person missing two arms is not less of a person. A person missing two arms and a leg is not less of a person. A person missing all limbs and their spleen is not less of a person. A person can have an artificial heart and still be a person.

One of my best friends, not even in Nation or a Nation Loyalist, has a mostly artificial brain and is not less of a person.

Where do you stop being a person?

I reckon that the property of 'personhood' is only tangently related to being a human being, and even more divided from your physical form.

My point is that such practical testing no longer counts as a threat to most capsuleers. So go ahead, I suppose?

Do I get to pick apart your brain afterwards to better understand the mindset of the psychopath?

my personal choice would be "The Federation, The State and The Republic should set their differences aside and gang up on the Empire, then squash Sansha's Nation for good measure, then enjoy a golden era of healthy competition free from serious existential threats."

And my point, Kim-haan, is that I KNOW the basics. I know much more than the basics. I understand how it works in ways that you don't. This knowledge does not prevent me from drawing incorrect conclusions or render me immune to fallacious reasoning, but it does mean that when I decide to form an opinion on the subject, that opinion is likely to more closely reflect the facts than your own more basic knowledge.

The qualifier I have repeatedly used throughout this debate is that I am not talking about deviation outside of the (in fact rather arbitrary) lines which define what is human. Species is a fuzzy thing, very blurred at the edges.

So long as the overwhelming majority of my genes are sufficiently similar to the overwhelming majority of other people's genes, I am human. The genes that specifically make me a Civire as opposed to, say, a Jin-Mei are an arbitrary and negligibly small subset of my genes.

They almost certainly do not have a sufficiently significant impact on the way my brain and personality have developed to outweigh my life's experience, my indoctrination, my reason and my opinions. If I had been genetically Intaki (whatever that means) but had otherwise lived the same life, I would very probably not believe in the Ida. If I were to clone into a Ni-Kunni body, then my brain, personality, memories and opinions would all remain intact.

Why? Because my genes have had a significantly smaller role in defining who I am than my life experiences have. That is my point, and you can continue to disagree with it if you so wish - it's your prerogative to be wrong, after all.

How do you know what we are teaching in our military academies?

Welcome to the concept of society I guess, where those who cannot fit in and become problems are corrected or removed from the system for the good of the whole.

Then again you're a Thukker, so I'm not surprised you advocate an emotionally-governed lawless anarchy.

This sounds like a mindclash game waiting to happen!