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M Lamia
All Web Investigations
#41 - 2012-11-27 13:24:43 UTC
Capt Lynch wrote:
And you keep bringing up things that happened a montyh ago and were settled a fortnight ago to make attempts to make me kill myself seem justified.

If you agree that someone should be driven to suicide, you are as bad as the ones doing the tormenting.


No, I brought up things you've done in the past because you were trying to claim you were being unfairly targeted for no good reason, which isn't the case. You did a lot to make a target of yourself, that's what I was saying - not justifying death threats, or attempts to make you commit suicide. Nowhere have I ever condoned players attempting to drive you, or anyone else, to suicide. That is a disgusting accusation to make.

Do you understand the horrific accusations you just made about me, and the attitude in general, is the exact kind of behaviour that gets you so much hate (but again, I'm not saying that justifies death threats or people trying to make you kill yourself)?

Though, considering your history and my first hand experience of your lies and accusations in this topic, I find your statements about James trying to make you commit suicide highly suspect.
Capt Lynch
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#42 - 2012-11-27 13:30:32 UTC
M Lamia wrote:
Capt Lynch wrote:
And you keep bringing up things that happened a montyh ago and were settled a fortnight ago to make attempts to make me kill myself seem justified.

If you agree that someone should be driven to suicide, you are as bad as the ones doing the tormenting.


No, I brought up things you've done in the past because you were trying to claim you were being unfairly targeted for no good reason, which isn't the case. You did a lot to make a target of yourself, that's what I was saying - not justifying death threats, or attempts to make you commit suicide. Nowhere have I ever condoned players attempting to drive you, or anyone else, to suicide. That is a disgusting accusation to make.

Do you understand the horrific accusations you just made about me, and the attitude in general, is the exact kind of behaviour that gets you so much hate (but again, I'm not saying that justifies death threats or people trying to make you kill yourself)?

Though, considering your history and my first hand experience of your lies and accusations in this topic, I find your statements about James trying to make you commit suicide highly suspect.


Yet, in a previous post...you said I brought it on myself...he;; .you implied it here...thats as good as saying 'you deserve to be driven insane'.
Anslo
Scope Works
#43 - 2012-11-27 13:30:53 UTC
M Lamia wrote:
No, I brought up things you've done in the past because you were trying to claim you were being unfairly targeted for no good reason, which isn't the case.


Actually he is being targeted to the point of harassment. When you make a blog dedicated to the guy (lol?) and taut it around to prevent him from joining a corp, that's a bit different then just in-game prodding.


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You did a lot to make a target of yourself, that's what I was saying - not justifying death threats, or attempts to make you commit suicide. Nowhere have I ever condoned players attempting to drive you, or anyone else, to suicide. That is a disgusting accusation to make.


Then maybe you should remind your "order" that this is a game and that those kinds of threats are a no-no.

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Do you understand the horrific accusations you just made about me, and the attitude in general, is the exact kind of behaviour that gets you so much hate (but again, I'm not saying that justifies death threats or people trying to make you kill yourself)?


Do you blame him? James et al have been messing with him as a target for the past few months. And not just merely "messing," but really stabbing at him at every turn and corner. Do you understand the amount of harassment your ilk have been throwing at him for the sake of "tears" and lulz when in reality, it's going too far?

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Though, considering your history and my first hand experience of your lies and accusations in this topic, I find your statements about James trying to make you commit suicide highly suspect.


Becauses James and the bumpettes are paragon's of truth and justice and are never hypocritical or wrong Roll
Give me a break.

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Orlandeu Fernandez
Clockwork Industries Co. Ltd
#44 - 2012-11-27 13:37:15 UTC
Anslo wrote:
M Lamia wrote:
No, I brought up things you've done in the past because you were trying to claim you were being unfairly targeted for no good reason, which isn't the case.


Actually he is being targeted to the point of harassment. When you make a blog dedicated to the guy (lol?) and taut it around to prevent him from joining a corp, that's a bit different then just in-game prodding.


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You did a lot to make a target of yourself, that's what I was saying - not justifying death threats, or attempts to make you commit suicide. Nowhere have I ever condoned players attempting to drive you, or anyone else, to suicide. That is a disgusting accusation to make.


Then maybe you should remind your "order" that this is a game and that those kinds of threats are a no-no.

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Do you understand the horrific accusations you just made about me, and the attitude in general, is the exact kind of behaviour that gets you so much hate (but again, I'm not saying that justifies death threats or people trying to make you kill yourself)?


Do you blame him? James et al have been messing with him as a target for the past few months. And not just merely "messing," but really stabbing at him at every turn and corner. Do you understand the amount of harassment your ilk have been throwing at him for the sake of "tears" and lulz when in reality, it's going too far?

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Though, considering your history and my first hand experience of your lies and accusations in this topic, I find your statements about James trying to make you commit suicide highly suspect.


Becauses James and the bumpettes are paragon's of truth and justice and are never hypocritical or wrong Roll
Give me a break.


What I don't understand is why CCP doesn't respond to him. They've made multiple blog posts about trolling him, harassing him, I read http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 And doesn't that, right there, fit under "grief play"? They have a specific target they've harassed in high-sec repeatedly, They do it with the intent of griefing him..

I'm not sure if these NO guys are children or just bored players. Either way, it's a sad act.
M Lamia
All Web Investigations
#45 - 2012-11-27 13:58:19 UTC  |  Edited by: M Lamia
Capt Lynch wrote:
Yet, in a previous post...you said I brought it on myself...he;; .you implied it here...thats as good as saying 'you deserve to be driven insane'.


Yes, I said you bring it on yourself with your lies, horrific statements about people, etc - but I have explicitly stated multiple times that it doesn't justify some of the extremes you're saying you've fallen victim to (death threats, urging suicide, etc).

Anslo wrote:
Actually he is being targeted to the point of harassment. When you make a blog dedicated to the guy (lol?) and taut it around to prevent him from joining a corp, that's a bit different then just in-game prodding.


The blog is dedicated to the New Order and the Code. Capt has featured numerous times precisely because of his own extreme actions and loud outbursts. Even if it gets to the point where corporations won't accept him because of what they've seen on that blog, that isn't harassment.

If there are certain users who are hounding him and truly sending him death threats and urging him to suicide, that would more than likely count as harassment.

Anslo wrote:
Then maybe you should remind your "order" that this is a game and that those kinds of threats are a no-no.


I can't control what other players do, or be held accountable for them taking it too far. Accusing people of attempting to drive others to suicide is also kind of a no-no too, don't you think? It's a horrible accusation to make.

Anslo wrote:
Do you blame him? James et al have been messing with him as a target for the past few months. And not just merely "messing," but really stabbing at him at every turn and corner. Do you understand the amount of harassment your ilk have been throwing at him for the sake of "tears" and lulz when in reality, it's going too far?


Do I blame him for his own actions? Well, yes. That's how it works. He attempted to spread terrible lies about me personally in this thread. I've never bumped him, sent him death threats, or done anything of the kind. Just because some individuals may have taken it too far with him does not mean him making such horrible accusations about others is ok.

Anslo wrote:
Becauses James and the bumpettes are paragon's of truth and justice and are never hypocritical or wrong Roll
Give me a break.


I've seen James be nothing but courteous and honest with Capt and the other miners. I've got first hand experience of Capts lies and libel, so excuse me if I take his stories about mysterious death threats and suicide suggestions with a grain of salt
Anslo
Scope Works
#46 - 2012-11-27 14:10:56 UTC
M Lamia wrote:
The blog is dedicated to the New Order and the Code. Capt has featured numerous times precisely because of his own extreme actions and loud outbursts. Even if it gets to the point where corporations won't accept him because of what they've seen on that blog, that isn't harassment.


Right, let's not be coy here Smile The blog is dedicated to tear extraction and isk obtaining, with more than a few posts dedicated to targeting lynch. Your code is hypocritical and the "order" are a bunch of upset gankers mad that they can't gank miners with little risk now and that they can't profit from it.

It is harassment when you start sending eve mails to every single corp he tries to enter to prevent him from entering in the first place. It prevents him from doing anything at all. There is no tank for that, no war dec for that. He's simply being harassed.

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I can't control what other players do, or be held accountable for them taking it too far. Accusing people of attempting to drive others to suicide is also kind of a no-no too, don't you think? It's a horrible accusation to make.


Yet you can. They're in the "order," so james should be telling them what is ok and what is over the line. They're his ilk, he is responsible for their actions. And I, much like you lot, will make the accusations as they seem far more likely, given your groups composition. Please don't talk to me about "horrible actions" when your "order" is just as horrid, if not more so Smile


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Do I blame him for his own actions? Well, yes. That's how it works. He attempted to spread terrible lies about me personally in this thread. I've never bumped him, sent him death threats, or done anything of the kind. Just because some individuals may have taken it too far with him does not mean him making such horrible accusations about others ok.


Yet his actions are based off constant harassment from your ilk, and you wouldn't look to yourself for the cause of all this? You're so far above this that it couldn't possibly be your fault? Please. As for your "horrible accusations" brought against you, you and the others know it takes little to prob lynch on. It's passive aggressive tactics and trolling shrouded in a cloak of "decency" while you continue to prod him on. So yes, I do blame you, and yes his actions are based on the NO. Smile

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I've seen James be nothing but courteous and honest with Capt and the other miners. I've got first hand experience of Capts lies and libel, so excuse me if I take his stories about mysterious death threats and suicide suggestions with a grain of salt


Again that "honesty" is simply a double edged sword of hypocrisy and trolling, so please, don't bring that silly argument here.

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#47 - 2012-11-27 15:21:57 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#48 - 2012-11-27 15:28:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Capt Lynch wrote:
What about the constant harassment I've suffered? No bumping but plenty of everything else ranging from death threats from readers of your blog and James attempting to force me to play how he wants.

He's giving me chronic depression on a game I. until a month ago, enjoyed despite the gankers.

Now he's making me concider suicide. Is making enemies of the New order Kill themselves a mark of high standings? WELL?

Firstly, this is very clearly not the place for this post. CCP might get annoyed at you if you for going this wildly off-topic in an Assembly Hall post.

If James or any other member of the Order is encouraging your suicide, then you need to a) stop talking to them, b) file a petition and c) reevaluate your priorities if you feel that you are likely to kill yourself over a video game.

If people are also issuing death threats, there's things you can do about that, too. a) Ignore them. They are not going to kill you. That is a fact. b) Look up the rules on threatening violence. You can petition that, too.

Capt Lynch wrote:
[ 2012.11.27 12:23:40 ] Capt Lynch > tell james he gets needs to ad a special killboard
[ 2012.11.27 12:23:51 ] Capt Lynch > players he's driven to chronic depression and suicide
[ 2012.11.27 12:23:53 ] Wookie Sith Ottig > lol defiantely
[ 2012.11.27 12:24:08 ] Wookie Sith Ottig > will next i see him on
[ 2012.11.27 12:24:31 ] Capt Lynch > you think I'm joking...don;t you...all I'm doing is waiting till I have a clear shot to the medication cabinet
[ 2012.11.27 12:24:52 ] Wookie Sith Ottig > nah dude, that would be awesome
[ 2012.11.27 12:25:06 ] Capt Lynch > so...you encourage me to kill myself?
[ 2012.11.27 12:25:09 ] Wookie Sith Ottig > "minerbumpunt killboard of shame"
[ 2012.11.27 12:25:17 ] Wookie Sith Ottig > *minerbumping
[ 2012.11.27 12:25:48 ] Capt Lynch > well
[ 2012.11.27 12:25:49 ] Capt Lynch > ?
[ 2012.11.27 12:26:13 ] Wookie Sith Ottig > yea, ill give him a poke about it next i see him on
[ 2012.11.27 12:26:27 ] Capt Lynch > I;m not joking...you realise that...right?
[ 2012.11.27 12:26:31 ] Wookie Sith Ottig > see if he has any ideas himself
[ 2012.11.27 12:26:34 ] Wookie Sith Ottig > yea

I'm afraid to tell you that you have grossly misunderstood Wookie Sith Ottig. It's obvious to me that Wookie is telling you that he thinks your idea of a special New Order killboard is an 'awesome' idea - not a lovely sentiment, but certainly not suggesting that your own suicide would be awesome. If you read his posts properly, he hardly seems to register "all I'm doing is waiting till I have a clear shot to the medication cabinet", and instead focuses entirely on the killboard. Honestly, I don't blame him either.

Anslo wrote:
Do you blame him? James et al have been messing with him as a target for the past few months. And not just merely "messing," but really stabbing at him at every turn and corner. Do you understand the amount of harassment your ilk have been throwing at him for the sake of "tears" and lulz when in reality, it's going too far?

I can't speak for her, but I certainly blame him. Let's look at the events thus far;

New Order Actions

  • Several posts focusing on Capt Lynch and the amusing things he does in game. This is not a crime. This is not even harassment. This is the equivalent of Goon chatporn, the public sharing of tears for everyone to enjoy. Nobody forces Lynch to read these posts.
  • Alleged death threats. Lynch claims to have received several death threats from New Order Agents. Now, I'm not saying that this isn't true, but I am saying that Lynch has lied about it. He told me personally, and I'm sure that he commented somewhere, that he had received several threats in the form of EVE Mails. Having access to his full API key, I could ascertain for myself that this was not true. Furthermore, none of the death threats came from James or, to be honest, from any major player in the New Order. We cannot be held responsible for the actions of people who claim to be affiliated with us. Take it up with them.

Capt Lynch's Actions

  • Repeatedly returning for more tears. I have lost count of the number of times that Capt Lynch has started private conversations with me. It's actually ridiculous. He cries about being harassed, and then comes to our systems, posts in threads that we're posting in, starts conversations with us, posts on our blog. What else does he expect? I can guarantee that if he had not spoken to us again after the very first post (as I urged him to do), this would all have ended weeks ago.
  • [*] Repeatedly lied and made up stories to discredit us. This is what the very first Lynch post was about, and he hasn't stopped since. See above for more information.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#49 - 2012-11-27 15:36:12 UTC
To get back on topic ... what was the topic again?

Ah right. I don't see why this is an issue that has to be raised with the CSM, bumping has been around forever and is just an accepted mechanic. I don't believe it's more prevalent than it used to be or anything, there's a single blog where one guy and a few people who appreciate his hard work talk about how they do it. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me.
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-11-27 16:14:23 UTC
Capt Lynch wrote:

Now he's making me concider suicide. Is making enemies of the New order Kill themselves a mark of high standings? WELL?


There are 2 possibilities:

A) You are threatening to kill yourself to put pressure on other people on a video game
B) You are seriously considering killing yourself over a video game

Neither of these are done by sane persons. I have reported your posts to CCP. You should seek professional help immediately and leave James alone, he is the least of your problems.
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-11-27 16:21:36 UTC
Anslo wrote:

They're his ilk, he is responsible for their actions.


Much like you are responsible of Capt Lynch's actions.
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
#52 - 2012-11-27 16:22:02 UTC
SaKoil wrote:
Capt Lynch wrote:

Now he's making me concider suicide. Is making enemies of the New order Kill themselves a mark of high standings? WELL?


There are 2 possibilities:

A) You are threatening to kill yourself to put pressure on other people on a video game
B) You are seriously considering killing yourself over a video game

Neither of these are done by sane persons. I have reported your posts to CCP. You should seek professional help immediately and leave James alone, he is the least of your problems.


Leave James alone? You kidding me? James should leave him and everyone else alone! That's bullshit that he isn't responsible for all this. He is. I've reported your post for protecting a psycho as bad the Mittani at fanfest. Jerk.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#53 - 2012-11-27 16:26:02 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:
SaKoil wrote:
Neither of these are done by sane persons. I have reported your posts to CCP. You should seek professional help immediately and leave James alone, he is the least of your problems.


Leave James alone? You kidding me? James should leave him and everyone else alone! That's bullshit that he isn't responsible for all this. He is. I've reported your post for protecting a psycho as bad the Mittani at fanfest. Jerk.

Can't we please stay civil in here? I hate it when fun threads get locked.

As for James continually harassing Lynch, I believe that it's been explained before; James makes no attempt to contact Capt Lynch, ever. He screenshots the amusing things that Lynch does and writes about them. End of. It is not a big deal.
Anslo
Scope Works
#54 - 2012-11-27 16:32:10 UTC
SaKoil wrote:
Much like you are responsible of Capt Lynch's actions.

Please prove how I am responsible for lynch suffering the crap james is giving him.

Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

Firstly, this is very clearly not the place for this post. CCP might get annoyed at you if you for going this wildly off-topic in an Assembly Hall post.

If James or any other member of the Order is encouraging your suicide, then you need to a) stop talking to them, b) file a petition and c) reevaluate your priorities if you feel that you are likely to kill yourself over a video game.

If people are also issuing death threats, there's things you can do about that, too. a) Ignore them. They are not going to kill you. That is a fact. b) Look up the rules on threatening violence. You can petition that, too.


I don't think it's off topic at all. Actions have reactions. Congratulations. You've gotten a reaction, a very negative reaction. I think it's good evidence to bring to the CSM.

As for your answeres for suicide and death threats, why don't you people leave him alone instead of target him for harassment? Control your animals.

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I'm afraid to tell you that you have grossly misunderstood Wookie Sith Ottig. It's obvious to me that Wookie is telling you that he thinks your idea of a special New Order killboard is an 'awesome' idea - not a lovely sentiment, but certainly not suggesting that your own suicide would be awesome. If you read his posts properly, he hardly seems to register "all I'm doing is waiting till I have a clear shot to the medication cabinet", and instead focuses entirely on the killboard. Honestly, I don't blame him either.


[ 2012.11.27 12:23:40 ] Capt Lynch > tell james he gets needs to ad a special killboard
[ 2012.11.27 12:23:51 ] Capt Lynch > players he's driven to chronic depression and suicide
[ 2012.11.27 12:23:53 ] Wookie Sith Ottig > lol defiantely
[ 2012.11.27 12:24:08 ] Wookie Sith Ottig > will next i see him on

No, I'm pretty sure that is quite telling of what Wookie meant.

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New Order Actions

  • Several posts focusing on Capt Lynch and the amusing things he does in game. This is not a crime. This is not even harassment. This is the equivalent of Goon chatporn, the public sharing of tears for everyone to enjoy. Nobody forces Lynch to read these posts.
  • Alleged death threats. Lynch claims to have received several death threats from New Order Agents. Now, I'm not saying that this isn't true, but I am saying that Lynch has lied about it. He told me personally, and I'm sure that he commented somewhere, that he had received several threats in the form of EVE Mails. Having access to his full API key, I could ascertain for myself that this was not true. Furthermore, none of the death threats came from James or, to be honest, from any major player in the New Order. We cannot be held responsible for the actions of people who claim to be affiliated with us. Take it up with them.

Capt Lynch's Actions

  • Repeatedly returning for more tears. I have lost count of the number of times that Capt Lynch has started private conversations with me. It's actually ridiculous. He cries about being harassed, and then comes to our systems, posts in threads that we're posting in, starts conversations with us, posts on our blog. What else does he expect? I can guarantee that if he had not spoken to us again after the very first post (as I urged him to do), this would all have ended weeks ago.
  • Repeatedly lied and made up stories to discredit us. This is what the very first Lynch post was about, and he hasn't stopped since. See above for more information.

NO Actions
  • Your posts are focusing on making him an example. As stated in a letter, James intent is to focus on lynch and then mail corps to prevent him from joining any other corp. Period. In my opinion, that's messed up, plain and simple. It IS harassment.
  • You are held responsible for egging your ilk on and continuing to make him a target. So yes, it is the fault of the NO. Hell, I've even received death threats. I don't think it's beyond the bounds of reality.

  • Lynch's Actions
  • You could block and ignore an unstable individual so you would not be complicit in his issues and egging on continued harassment of him. The NO and miner bumpers are responsible for this.
  • [*] Not much to say here, but I remain with my stance that if you are harassing an individual and they react poorly, your harassment is to blame, simple.

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    Unit CA108AF
    Unit Commune
    #55 - 2012-11-27 16:34:36 UTC
    Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
    Unit CA108AF wrote:
    SaKoil wrote:
    Neither of these are done by sane persons. I have reported your posts to CCP. You should seek professional help immediately and leave James alone, he is the least of your problems.


    Leave James alone? You kidding me? James should leave him and everyone else alone! That's bullshit that he isn't responsible for all this. He is. I've reported your post for protecting a psycho as bad the Mittani at fanfest. Jerk.

    Can't we please stay civil in here? I hate it when fun threads get locked.

    As for James continually harassing Lynch, I believe that it's been explained before; James makes no attempt to contact Capt Lynch, ever. He screenshots the amusing things that Lynch does and writes about them. End of. It is not a big deal.


    You lost civility when you started this crap. I hope more outcry is posted here against this so it doesn't get locked and the CSM and CCP shuts you idiots DOWN. James keeps targeting him when he could ignore him. If James was such a "good guy," he'd ignore Capt Lynch. But he doesn't, he keeps pushing and pushing and pushing.

    You people need controlled. It is a big deal. If you don't see bullying as a big deal, you need to re-evaluate your life.
    Jonah Gravenstein
    Machiavellian Space Bastards
    #56 - 2012-11-27 16:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
    If Captain Lynch wasn't such an attentionwhore then all of this would be moot, he actively courts the trolls by attempting to troll them and failing, he also creates situations that make for amusing press coverage by aggravating the situation further with lies, misdirection and generally being a a pain in the arse.

    If Captain Lynch wants someone to blame for his current situation in the game he need look no further than the nearest mirror. He attempted to play the metagame and failed miserably.

    On a side note as someone who does actually suffer from depression and has considered suicide in the past, I encourage him to seek help from a mental health specialist, it'll be a lot better for him than whining on the forums about it, which btw makes me think that he's telling another whopping great porkie, people with depression don't generally spam a game forum about it, it tends to be kept bottled up inside and if the feelings are shared at all they are shared with close friends and family.

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    SaKoil
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #57 - 2012-11-27 16:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: SaKoil
    Unit CA108AF wrote:
    Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
    Unit CA108AF wrote:
    SaKoil wrote:
    Neither of these are done by sane persons. I have reported your posts to CCP. You should seek professional help immediately and leave James alone, he is the least of your problems.


    Leave James alone? You kidding me? James should leave him and everyone else alone! That's bullshit that he isn't responsible for all this. He is. I've reported your post for protecting a psycho as bad the Mittani at fanfest. Jerk.

    Can't we please stay civil in here? I hate it when fun threads get locked.

    As for James continually harassing Lynch, I believe that it's been explained before; James makes no attempt to contact Capt Lynch, ever. He screenshots the amusing things that Lynch does and writes about them. End of. It is not a big deal.


    You lost civility when you started this crap. I hope more outcry is posted here against this so it doesn't get locked and the CSM and CCP shuts you idiots DOWN. James keeps targeting him when he could ignore him. If James was such a "good guy," he'd ignore Capt Lynch. But he doesn't, he keeps pushing and pushing and pushing.

    You people need controlled. It is a big deal. If you don't see bullying as a big deal, you need to re-evaluate your life.


    Seeing that this Capt Lynch fellow is now, 5 hours later, at Abudban local talking about "space beer" on local chat, I am inclined to think that he was using suicide threats to pressure people in a video game.

    I have no words.

    Edit: And what does that make people like Anslo, trying to use peoples potential mental health issues to further his political views. And the other guys are the bad guys?
    Mathalina
    University of Caille
    Gallente Federation
    #58 - 2012-11-27 16:40:19 UTC
    I'll be honest, the bumping thing was funny at first. But if this is what's going on and this is how some people take it Ugh
    Hope it stops soon...
    TheGunslinger42
    All Web Investigations
    #59 - 2012-11-27 16:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
    Unit CA108AF wrote:
    SaKoil wrote:
    Neither of these are done by sane persons. I have reported your posts to CCP. You should seek professional help immediately and leave James alone, he is the least of your problems.


    Leave James alone? You kidding me? James should leave him and everyone else alone! That's bullshit that he isn't responsible for all this. He is. I've reported your post for protecting a psycho as bad the Mittani at fanfest. Jerk.


    How is James responsible for this at all, the only snippet we've seen is between Capt and Wookie.

    As for James postings on his blog: Not harassment, simple. People copy and pasting your tears is not harassment, never has been, never will be.

    Emailing other corporations he joins isn't harassment either, as far as I'm aware. If you've made such a name for yourself that people are willing to dec any corp you join to get you that's tough luck. If other corps find out this is a possibility and don't accept you as a result, again tough luck.

    If Capt just dropped all this nonsense instead of making up lies, pestering CCP, etc then it'd stop pretty quickly. People threaten to dec corps he joins because they don't like him and or because tears. If he stopped doing the things that cause them to dislike him, and stopped generating tears, then it'd stop.

    It really isn't a matter for the CSM at all.
    Jonah Gravenstein
    Machiavellian Space Bastards
    #60 - 2012-11-27 16:44:26 UTC
    Mathalina wrote:
    I'll be honest, the bumping thing was funny at first. But if this is what's going on and this is how some people take it Ugh
    Hope it stops soon...


    It's not what's going on, it's not James' fault that Captain Lynch insists on being a never ending source of saline droplets. He tried to troll the New Order and failed in a spectacular fashion, now he's crying over his own failure and a situation he himself created.

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